Winter?

[88Racing]

Well last night Old Man Winter came knockn' on eastern South Dakota's door. Left about 2-4" snow accumalation overnight and the snow was almost gone by noon exposing the green grass again.
Monday we are in for another shot of the white stuff.

Brrrr!

Not ready for the cold temps this early. Low tonight of 20 and the high today was 36.

Lars:2thumbs:

[429 boss mustang]

dude winter hitting early up their

[fordkindaguy]

Yep gotta love south carolina low country weather, 75 and sunny right now should hit mid 80's:giggle:

[88Racing]

Yep, Another shot of the white stuff this afternoon and this evening.
Funny thing I mowed just after lunch!

Oh well, Monday and Tuesday we are in for some more but it's not going to stick around long?

Lars:2thumbs:

[ROB281]

I wish it would get that cold here

[Longshot270]

I dont know, snow is fun but I still like my short sleeve shirts more. I think its funny that a cold front in the north means snow, here it a means a drop to the 50's and 60's :hehe:

[cleatus12r]

We went from 85 degrees a week ago to single digit lows and 20s for highs in about 3 days....

Straight from summer to winter. Heck, the leaves on the trees are still green. I guess they weren't ready either.

[Longshot270]

Yeah we've been in draught so long in central texas we were wondering what all that wet stuff was that kept falling on our heads. :hehe: lol I'm kinda hoping it doesn't freeze like last year. Had LOTS of wrecks because people who moved down here thought that they could still drive in it. :shrug:

[88Racing]

We had the coolest summer on record this year with only 2 or 3 days in the 90's.
Hopefully that won't translate into the coldest winter on record either.
That would bite the big one! Really bad!

The way my grandpa would tell if we were in for a long winter was the middle band length on a wooly bear catipillar. If the band was long the winter was long if the band was short so was the winter. The darker the brown the colder the winter and the lighter the brown the warmer it would be.
Of course they spray so much around here you hardly see them anymore.

Lars

[Longshot270]

We had the coolest summer on record this year with only 2 or 3 days in the 90's.
I think that is really strange, we've had one of the hottest driest summers for the last few years and it sounds like your at the opposite. I think we had over 60 days IN A ROW over 90, or 100 but either way it was kinda warm this summer.:D



Hopefully that won't translate into the coldest winter on record either.
That would bite the big one! Really bad!


We can usually tell if its going to be a warm winter if it was a wet summer, and a dry summer turns into a cold winter. In texas we can only look at the long term weather. Thats where our quote for "Dont like the weather? Give it a minute, it'll change." Either that is texas' natural weather or our weathermen are really bad. I think its both :hehe:

[Jackpine]

I've read, somewhere, sometime, that the overall effect of "global warming" will be to make dry regions "dryer" and wet regions "wetter". We're certainly dryer than normal, and have been for the last 10-15 years. We used to see incredible thunderstorm lightning displays during the summer in what is called our "monsoon" season. I haven't seen one of those for years and years. We are in a severe drought.

At the same time, I note that the southeast has had a pretty good share lately of rain - and it ALWAYS got rain anyway, just not this much. I can't talk about this being a long term trend, but it's been pretty severe this year, hasn't it?

And, of course, scientists say the effects of global warming are not uniform at all. Some places are supposed to be colder than normal. And, some places will just be completely atypical. What I've learned, from everything I've read, is that conditions will simply have "wider" swings and will often become extreme.

My Sister, who lives outside of Colorado Springs, has had several years now of pasture that is too wet to drive through with a truckload of hay for her horses in the late summer when she needs to get the hay in. This is supposed to be an "arid" climate, and it is - they've had droughts that have been VERY hard on the forests but there she is in a "swampy" pastureland.

For what it's worth, I DO believe our climate is changing, and maybe not for our overall benefit.

- Jack

[Longshot270]

Jack, that is definitely one of the FEW environmental statements I have heard that makes sence. :woot:

[ROB281]

I remember last December we went from 70's one day, to 6" of this weird white stuff the next day

[Longshot270]

Haha, Rob I remeber that, that was crazy. :disbelief:

[88Racing]

All the white stuff disappeared this afternoon but the winterization of lawn sprinklers is high demand right now. Haha caught them guys with their pants down! But if everyone up here would just follow the simple rule of winterizing by October 1st none of this hurry hurry rush rush would be happening right now.
Man if only I had one of the pull behind air compressors and 400 ft of hose, I could be raking in the cash right now!
One company here in town charges $55 per house and a regular residential system takes approx half to three quarters of an hour to blow out.
Of course being the nice guy I am I did 4 of my neighbors systems for nothing!
With the company air compressor.

Lars:2thumbs:

[sam8]

We had one of those weird "summer's over," deals, too.

About 3 weeks ago on a Saturday we were on the lake and the family was doing the watersports.
It was around 90~Water temp had cooled, but still quite tolerable.
The following weekend we had a fire in the woodstove, I was in jeans and a sweatshirt draining the block on the boat so we could tuck it away for the winter.
I would really prefer all four seasons, instead of winter/summer/repeat.
Jack, I would go as far as you have and end to agree that out climate may be changing.
I ain't ready to say 100 years of people burning stuff is the cause of it. As someone recently said, "never let a potential crisis go to waste".
I am an admitted pessimist, and, alsas, find myself distrustful of most people inpositions of politcal power, and other folks in gen'ral.
25 years of wearing a badge and gun does things to you...

[Jackpine]

Sam, I don't know that I trust some of the things I hear from the government either, but I get pretty concerned when ice caps start shrinking like they're doing and, I see the glaciers in Colorado shrinking too.

One thing we have to acknowledge is that the last 100 years have seen a huge increase in pollutants due to the Industrial Revolution.

And, I'd like to see us move away from so much dependence on fossil fuels.

By the way, I noticed a while back that I'm a former neighbor of yours, sort of. I was born in Grass Valley and lived there up until until age two and then again from five to about ten. We moved away so my Father could play in two wars: WWII and Korea. Some day I have to go back there and see what it looks like now.

- Jack

[Power Hungry]

Some may list this as environmentalist propaganda, but the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F)" was quite enlightening. After being in the automotive industry for 25 years, there are a few facts that pertain the handling of the electric car I can personally attest to and some that I found quite shocking.

If you've seen the movie (recently aired on the "Green" channel), it is something that really makes you think for a minute. If not, and you're the least bit confused about how greedy corporations and an apathetic government work hand in hand to suppress innovation and technology while keep Americans dependent on fossil fuels, then this is an interesting way to spend two hours.

Who Killed the Electric Car? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F)

[Jackpine]

Some may list this as environmentalist propaganda, but the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F)" was quite enlightening. After being in the automotive industry for 25 years, there are a few facts that pertain the handling of the electric car I can personally attest to and some that I found quite shocking.

If you've seen the movie (recently aired on the "Green" channel), it is something that really makes you think for a minute. If not, and you're the least bit confused about how greedy corporations and an apathetic government work hand in hand to suppress innovation and technology while keep Americans dependent on fossil fuels, then this is an interesting way to spend two hours.

Who Killed the Electric Car? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F)

There are great monetary savings for companies (and consumers) associated with keeping the "status quo", aren't there? If your major product development costs are slanted toward mostly cosmetic or "convenience" improvements, that grab a consumer's attention, those costs can be kept low and profits can be maximized.

To create a radically new product, such as the electric car, will require a major commitment on the part of industry. Not only does it require a completely new, practical vehicle design, but the supporting infrastructure (power stations) will have to be put in place everywhere. Additionally, the design of the vehicle will need refining to make it as "convenient" as a petroleum powered vehicle. Charging times will have to be reduced, or the vehicle will never be practical for trips. Finally, consumer demand will have to rise, possibly through Government incentives to make the switch. We're already seeing incentives to buy CFLs instead of ordinary incandescent light bulbs, incentives to upgrade heating, air conditioning and insulation and so on. Why not have the same thing for vehicles? Possibly, it would be a better use of "bailout" money than giving it to the banks.

- Jack

[sam8]

Jack;
I have no problem whatsoever evaluating things we can see and quanitfy for ourselves. If it comes from some guy workring on a gov't. grant, or for a co., then I don't trust it. Sorry.
As I said, I agree that there is something going on. Is it simply the cyclic nature of weather or an actual disruption in the cyclic global climate patterns is what still remains unanswered, as is the cause, if it is indeed a disruption.
Humans simply have not been collecting accurate data long enough to know. In the 70's, when I was in high school, we were being taught that all indicators showed an ice age was enroute. In the 80's, when I was in college, we began to hear the opposite. One large volcanic eruption during any given measurment period also skewes the data, and Lord knows we have had a few of those in the past 30 years or so. Also, one must take a long, hard look at what impact the western civilizations can have on the problem (if any) by changing our lifestlyes, driving electric cars, etc, when it is clear that China and the developing 3rd world has absolutely no intention whatsoever to follow any plan put forth to control fossil fuels, etc. China is opening something like 1 new coal-fired power plant per week. China is also buying the Hummer line from GM...My mother was in China about 20 years ago, and returned recnetly for a short visit. She commented that bicycles seemed to outnumber cars ten to one on her first visit, and the ratio appears to have reversed!
Oh, and as much as I hate to do it to you, if you have not been in G.V. in the past 15 years or so, you will be disappointed with what has happened to our little town. Too many flatlanders moving in and wanting to flatlanderize the foothills. I have been here since '76, and think things started downhill when they built the McDonalds in Brunswick.

Bill, as far as conspiracies by corporate & gov't types to crush innovation so as to continue filling their own pockets, you bet I agree 100%.
Raging American greed has helped us get to where we are right now, and I don't just mean companies, either. Companies are run by people. When coupled with the,"get it all right now no matter what", attitude folks have these days it is a recipe for disaster. No morals, no responsibility, no respect for your neighbor or yourself. We lost our national identity during the 3 different decades I was working. I watched it happen. People do not take pride in themselves. People do not take pride in the way they raise their children; they are not teaching them the responsibility that goes with citizenship and the honor that goes with a hard days work done well to the best of one's ability.
There is not enough God in our lives; not enough humility.
The health of their country is not even on their radar. They take no responsibility for it, nor interest in it.
The federal gov't. has gone so far beyond the powers granted it by the Constitution it boggles my mind.
And here we are. Ripe for a socialist, power hungry federal gov't. to institute a complete silent revocation of our Constitution, while America is busy watching American Idol.
Sorry for the rant, folks. I am rather passionate in my love for this Country, and in my personal beliefs.
I spent my career having sworn an oath to protect the people of my community, and as my signature indicates, people I love are doing the same.