Questions before purchasing the Gryphon

[cajunboy2208]

I want to get the Gryphon right away.
I am assuming I am running lean since I have a CAI on my 04 f150 5.4L
I am told I will need a custom tune for this.
But anyway, will I be ok running it with the Gryphon until a custom tune comes in? It takes 4-6 weeks afterall.

And my other question.
Can I order just the stock tunes for now on the Gryphon, and then later get some custom tunes, need an 87 economy tune and 87 performance tune, with them still being only 30 bucks each. Or is that price for only a new order on the Gryphon. So, if I get the Gryphon with no customs, and then later decided to get a custom, the price will probably be around 60 bucks per custom.

I only have CAI and exhuast ATM. No plans on upgrading anything else until the end of the year.

[Jackpine]

I want to get the Gryphon right away.
I am assuming I am running lean since I have a CAI on my 04 f150 5.4L
I am told I will need a custom tune for this.
But anyway, will I be ok running it with the Gryphon until a custom tune comes in? It takes 4-6 weeks afterall.

And my other question.
Can I order just the stock tunes for now on the Gryphon, and then later get some custom tunes, need an 87 economy tune and 87 performance tune, with them still being only 30 bucks each. Or is that price for only a new order on the Gryphon. So, if I get the Gryphon with no customs, and then later decided to get a custom, the price will probably be around 60 bucks per custom.

I only have CAI and exhuast ATM. No plans on upgrading anything else until the end of the year.

It's my understanding that to get the $30 price, you have to pay for the tunes when you order your Gryphon. You CAN always get a Gryphon with the canned tunes on it though. But, because you have the CAI, you should really have custom tunes (you don't need three, just the one you use for daily driving would be fine).

The recommendation is to use the Level 2 tow tune until you get a custom tune (since it's richer) and to try to keep your foot out of it (don't do Wide Open Throttle runs).

- Jack

[cajunboy2208]

Thanks for the info. I understand that.

Is it possible to get an economy tune? Or is that what the tow tune is for?

Because I do not see that as an option.

[Jackpine]

Thanks for the info. I understand that.

Is it possible to get an economy tune? Or is that what the tow tune is for?

Because I do not see that as an option.

It is certainly possible to get an "economy" tune. It's what I have loaded into my Level 1 position. In general, it's just a non-towing performance tune with somewhat altered part throttle shift points and MAYBE a slightly changed "fuel map".

All you have to do is say that you want an "economy tune" in the remarks section of the order form and Bill will write it that way.

The tow tune is designed for pulling loads greater than 2500#. It is different than an economy non-towing tune.

- Jack

[cajunboy2208]

Alright.
I guess I had more questions than I thought.
What do I put down for my exhaust diameter?
I have Borla split rear
it comes into the muffler at 3
and when it splits into 2, it goes to 2.25

[Jackpine]

Alright.
I guess I had more questions than I thought.
What do I put down for my exhaust diameter?
I have Borla split rear
it comes into the muffler at 3
and when it splits into 2, it goes to 2.25

I am not any kind of authority on exhausts. I suspect the 3" figure would be the correct value though, because it's a "choke point" (the narrowest part in the new exhaust). You're not going to get anything through the 2-2.25" pipes that doesn't go through the single 3" section first.

88Racing is more knowledgeable about exhausts though. He might notice this thread and chime in.

- Jack

[88Racing]

If you have maintained the original stock "Y". This is the pipe that comes off the headers with the cats and o2 sensors and then merges together to the point where you'd put a cat back on.
If this is the case then just put down Borla cat back system 3" SI/2.25" DO.
But..........
If you split the "Y" and put truduals under the truck then Bill needs to know this.
Hope that helps.

Peace:)

[cajunboy2208]

Thanks 88 =)

[cajunboy2208]

Eh, sorry, but yet another question.
Does it come with 3 stock tunes? And when I get my custom tunes, will I still have access to the 3 stock + 2 customs. Or is it limited?

So I would have for my case;
stock tranny
stock 87-tow
stock 93-per
custom 87-per
custom 87 eco

Is this correct?

[88Racing]

What the gryphon comes with is what we call "canned" tunes.
It's layout is like this.
0-Stock.
1-Tranny only. Canned.
2-Tow tune. Canned.
3-Perfomance. Canned.

The gryphon can never have anymore than 3 tunes loaded in it at any one time.

My layout is this.
0-Stock
1-87 Performance tow(custom)
2-87 Performance(custom)
3-Performance(canned)

Canned tunes fit a lot of different f150's but custom tunes only fit your truck.

So in your case.

stock tranny(don't need)
stock 87-tow
stock 93-per(do you want this or keep everything the same octane?)
custom 87-per
custom 87 eco

Just some ideas. :)

[cody994x4]

88racing, what tune do u use for daily driving? also, how are your 87perf. tunes different?

[88Racing]

My 87oct perf custom tune is what I use the most. That tune is geared for gitty up and go. It also has max economy with it.
My 87oct tow perf custom tune is for when I pull loads over 2500 lbs. That tune provides power in the lower rpms to help get your truck going when pulling a trailer.
Both of these tunes have different shift strategies also.
Hope this helps:)

[cajunboy2208]

My 87oct perf custom tune is what I use the most. That tune is geared for gitty up and go. It also has max economy with it.
My 87oct tow perf custom tune is for when I pull loads over 2500 lbs. That tune provides power in the lower rpms to help get your truck going when pulling a trailer.
Both of these tunes have different shift strategies also.
Hope this helps:)

So If I get a custom 87 per I will not need a custom 87 economy tune?

[88Racing]

So If I get a custom 87 per I will not need a custom 87 economy tune?

It's up to you.
That was MY choice when I ordered.
Bill's tunes are great but I have never seen or heard anyone expressing the great savings of an economy tune.
Bill's performance tunes are by no ways gas sucking tunes. They have a side effect and that is increased efficiency and better shifts.
So when I ordered I requested a performance tune with maximized economy.
Did it work?
Maybe 1-2 mpg's better but that's all.
The economy tune will only change the shift strategies to lower rpms.
So why not have the best of both worlds I thought to myself. So that's what Bill, Jack, and I came up with.

So remember it's your truck and get what you want.
:)

[cajunboy2208]

Alright, now I need help filling out the oder form.
I don't really know what to put for most of this stuff
My truck is all stock except for CAI and exhaust.
Can I just put Stock in for items such as Current Displacement, Comp Ratio, Maximum RPM, etc etc?

[88Racing]

Yep.
If you haven't changed it just put in stock.

:)

[cajunboy2208]

Yep.
If you haven't changed it just put in stock.

:)

Thanks
I just sent the order form
=)

[88Racing]

Thanks
I just sent the order form
=)

Cool:2thumbs:

[AZFXFOUR]

Man this is awesome I had the exact same questions! I have an 04 as well and just put on a CAI today. Looks like I need to get some tunes. So I know that I should run the level 2 on my edge for now to try and minimize lean conditions but what about when I send my Edge in for a Gryphon? Wont I need to put the truck back to stock before sending it in?

[88Racing]

The best suggestion I have is put the truck back to stiock along with the intake while you wait.
JMHO

[AZFXFOUR]

Yeah I think ill do that today.