Flow Bench Test of kd4crs/Power Hungry/Gotts Mod

[Jim Allen]

FYI: The flow bench tests I mentioned a while back will be taking place this week. Will test the following:

-Stock intake, stock filter panel
-Stock intake AEM filter panel
-Stock intake AEM filter panel + kd4crs/Power Hungry/Gotts Mod
-AEM Brute Force intake

Flow bench test indicate airflow characteristics only, not necessarily power production, but it will be interesting to add these facts into the mix we have from the dyno. Stay tuned!

[88Racing]

Thanks Jim!

Looking forward to seeing what the results are going to be.

Lars

[way2qk4u2c]

Really curious to see these results!!!!

[dsilva584]

me 3 i have the kd4crs/Power Hungry/Gotts Mod with a k&n drop in fllter.

[Dixie Design]

You can bet I'll "stay tuned"

[JWBFX4]

yes I would definitely like to see these results

[kd4crs]

I am looking forward to the results so we can see the flow differences.

[Caforddude]

Interesting comparrison a user on another forum did concerning OEM paper air filters and K&N paper air filters.

LINK (http://www.fordtruckfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10760)

[SubiGT]

subscribed for results

[04FX4]

When ?????????????????????????????:2thumbs::2thumbs::

[Power Hungry]

Can't wait to see the results, Jim! I think a lot of people are really curious about what works and what doesn't.

:popcorn2:

[jimmyv13]

I'm going to do this regardless...but it would be nice to know the actual numbers.

Good work!!!!

[Jackpine]

I'm especially interested now after my "back and forth" with the other member of the f150online forum.

However, I've just returned from an approximately 1400 mile trip to the sunny beaches in Southern California, and I have to say, the truck ran beautifully, climbed the grade out of Indio without effort, just cruised along like it was under no stress at all.

- Jack

[way2qk4u2c]

no results yet lol im anxious

[Jackpine]

Me too. But, after our 1326.6 mile, 86.005 gallons of gas trip to and from California, using the homemade CAI and Bill's custom "economy" (non-towing) tune, I can report that I averaged 15.425 MPG for the entire trip. And, I was fighting a headwind for the trip into California. On the way back, the air was calm (half the wind generators in Palm Springs were shut down).

What makes this number significant though, is that before this, I've only seen 15.5 MPG in the 55-60 mph range in calm winds. Any speed faster brought my mileage down into the 14 MPG range. On this trip, we had five people in the truck, it was full of luggage, toys and food, and I was operating in the 70-75 mph range.

So, was this a result of Bill's outstanding tune, my CAI mod or perhaps a bit of both? I really had not had a chance to check this tune on a long trip before this, so I don't have a good base point for comparison.

All I know is, the truck's running better than ever!

- Jack

[jimmyv13]

Sounds great...about 1.5MPG increase WITH the 15-20MPH increase. Can't complain about that. Anytime you can go faster AND use less fuel is impressive.

I did the mod this evening, but won't drive the truck until the morning. My Gryphon is shipping out Monday, hopefully, from PHP and will be installed the day it arrives.

[SinCityFX4]

Sweet:cool_beans:

[kd4crs]

Me too. But, after our 1326.6 mile, 86.005 gallons of gas trip to and from California, using the homemade CAI and Bill's custom "economy" (non-towing) tune, I can report that I averaged 15.425 MPG for the entire trip. And, I was fighting a headwind for the trip into California. On the way back, the air was calm (half the wind generators in Palm Springs were shut down).

What makes this number significant though, is that before this, I've only seen 15.5 MPG in the 55-60 mph range in calm winds. Any speed faster brought my mileage down into the 14 MPG range. On this trip, we had five people in the truck, it was full of luggage, toys and food, and I was operating in the 70-75 mph range.

So, was this a result of Bill's outstanding tune, my CAI mod or perhaps a bit of both? I really had not had a chance to check this tune on a long trip before this, so I don't have a good base point for comparison.

All I know is, the truck's running better than ever!

- Jack

So far on our trip to Florida I am running the canned level 2 tune and the Gryphon is reporting 17.3 MPG! Last fill-up I did the math and it came out to 17.2, so I am happy. That is with 3 people, 1 dog, and truck full of luggage going 75 MPH.

[incogmeo]

From another website .... "The 2004s and early 2005s were known to come from the factory in a near lean condition. Any increase at all was enough to lean them out further. Troyer did some dynoing a long time ago and posted the results. Any additional air on these should be done with care and preferrably with custom tunes."

So my questions are:

1. Is this true ?

2. Is it safe to do the air intake mod to a stock 04 5.4 with a K&N drop in filter and no tuner ?

Thanks.

[Jackpine]

From another website .... "The 2004s and early 2005s were known to come from the factory in a near lean condition. Any increase at all was enough to lean them out further. Troyer did some dynoing a long time ago and posted the results. Any additional air on these should be done with care and preferrably with custom tunes."

So my questions are:

1. Is this true ?

2. Is it safe to do the air intake mod to a stock 04 5.4 with a K&N drop in filter and no tuner ?

Thanks.

It IS true, but Bill addressed this issue several times. As long as you don't change the environment around the MAF sensor (It's a little thing that sticks out of the driver's side of the intake ducting above and behind the air filter box - there's electrical wires running to it) you won't get a lean condition. The K&N filter is just a filter - it doesn't change the airflow pattern. The homemade CAI is a change way up at the snorkel - it doesn't change the MAF sensor environment either.

So, Bill feels it is safe. I do too.

If you look at the commercial CAI's you'll see they completely replace the ducting all the way to the throttle body. This is a major change to the flow around the sensor and, according to Bill, it really can't see the additional airflow, so, the engine runs lean.

Hope this makes sense.

- Jack

[incogmeo]

Thanks ! :2thumbs:

[OneTomcat]

I believe I read in a post from Bill a while back that the tow tune runs a little richer than a regular tune. If that is the case, would it be a good idea for those with a commercial CAI and concerned about a lean condition to use the canned tow tune while waiting for their custom tunes?

[Jackpine]

TomCat,

YES! Recently, I've even started putting that information on customer's invoices. By its nature, the tow tune runs richer, so it should help with the lean condition until you get your custom tunes. Just try not to keep your foot on the floor... If you could keep it ½ throttle and above, it would be even better. Of course, that's not always possible... just as a general rule. :)

Corey, did you possibly mean "or below"? I'd hate to drive around everywhere at full throttle - might get a few tickets. :happy-dancing:

- Jack

[88Racing]

Corey, did you possibly mean "or below"? I'd hate to drive around everywhere at full throttle - might get a few tickets. :happy-dancing:

- Jack

You could do it Jack, just going to spend more money on brakes

Lars

[Jackpine]

You could do it Jack, just going to spend more money on brakes

Lars

Funny Lars! Kinda reminds me of a time in San Antonio back in the 70s when we had a rare snowstorm and I was driving to work. The streets were, of course nice and icy, but I grew up in the mountains so I sort of know how to deal with it. However, there was this one guy, who clearly drives with one foot on the gas pedal and the other on the brake. The brake lights were on, the front wheels were locked up and the rears were turning. He had a kind of "panicked" look on his face, because his car was wandering all over the road. I got around him as quickly as I could.

- Jack

[88Racing]

Funny Jack! Real funny!:smiley_roll1:
I have to drive around those types also.

Lars
:cheesy smile:

[Power Hungry]

Just avoid the cars with the wrinkled fenders. They obviously have no idea how to handle slick conditions. :)