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cleatus12r
Thu, February 11th, 2021, 08:44 PM
It's been brought to my attention that the TNAA4Y2 calibrations in Hydraflash have messed-up shift points causing an up-down-up-down problem when accelerating on the 65 HP and up calibrations. :matt-roloff:

I think the guy bought the chip through RiffRaff and he's already been told that he should just spend more money on custom tunes. That kind of defeats the purpose behind getting "the library" as a bonus to purchasing the chip.

Power Hungry
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 12:31 PM
I'll give it a look. The shift points for TNAA4N2 and TNAA4Y2 are identical (as the calibrations are identical) and I don't recall anyone having complained about the shifting on the California (TNAA4N2) versions. I wonder if there is something specifically with the Excursions that mechanically may be different. :hmmm:

What's odd is that it only happens with 65+ HP tunes since the shifting generally isn't much different between the different calibrations until you hit the 120 HP program.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up. :thumbsup:

cleatus12r
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 01:45 PM
I asked him to download the TNAALY3 calibrations as I see they're available. They are working fine for him although it's not one of the calibrations with a large list of options.

EDIT:

Just throwing it out there, but if you're busy I know where the problem lies and can fix it if you want. I actually still have an old PHP thumb drive that had a couple Phoenix calibrations on it that didn't get deleted when I used it as a backup for my old original laptop. I hadn't done anything with that flash drive in about 8 years.

The shift points in the one file I hadn't deleted (80P) were vastly different than stock and the downshift speed was actually above the upshift speed by .5 MPH if my memory from last night is correct. The problem shouldn't occur at higher APP but slow acceleration would be where the problem lies.

cleatus12r
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 01:58 PM
Here's the thread. There was another person with the same issue who got involved. I don't know his backstory or when his problems were observed.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1652166-crazy-shifting-transmission-on-php-hydra-tunes.html

cleatus12r
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 07:20 PM
I guess I may have gotten ahead of myself here. I have a 2002 F250 at work (obviously not a 50 state emissions truck but I can get it warm first) but I threw a few of the said calibrations on a Hydra yesterday and I was hoping to verify the problem on Monday when I go back - since I didn't know when I'd get in touch with you. Now Hydraflash doesn't operate so I can erase it and I get some error message.

Anyhoo...I know it's 6:00 PM where you are. Have a great weekend!

cleatus12r
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 09:45 PM
You know, I just did a whole bunch of thinking and trying to remember just how convoluted and complicated the process used to be to get Phoenix chips shipped out of here. I had to dig way back in the dusty corners of my mind for it.

I might be missing a few steps but I remember it was a tedious process!

1. Log into remote computer.

2. Get to the order forms and write down the customer vehicle information. I had literally FOUR full-size notebooks full of names, email addresses, and calibration information; each one took up four lines of wide-ruled front and back - so long as nothing custom was needed. No security worries though as every one of them was used to start a fire in the woodstove.

3. Go to the 32k files and dig out appropriate calibrations. If it happened to be a custom tune, it was written at that time.

4. Load them into the utility that turned them into Phoenix-size calibrations.

5. Save an e-mail of each calibration in the drafts folder along with a copy of the invoice and build sheet and then log off of the remote desktop.

[Ahhhhh. No more click latency due to remote desktopping after this point]

6. Open email on my computer at home and save the calibrations.

7. Open PhoenixFlash.

8. Spend 5:52 per chip erasing and programming. The most difficult part here is that I found that multi-tasking the computer during the process would result in errors and there is no continuing with a botched programming session.....start all over (usually ftom position 5 or 6 because, well Murphy). Sometimes the errors would happen anyway and sometimes I'd forget if I changed the position or not before programming the next position. I'd know as soon as I hit the spacebar! Long beep and the red "Programming Error" message. SHIIIIIIII!!!

9. Package the chip. I got good at folding small flat-rate boxes!

10. Repeat. Although I did manage to save time by doing large batches of calibrations at once and then emailing numerous customers' calibrations in 2-3 emails.

You know, those were good times although I do like getting greasy and dirty just a touch more than staring at a computer screen. :cool::D

Power Hungry
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 11:34 PM
Now Hydraflash doesn't operate so I can erase it and I get some error message.

Anyhoo...I know it's 6:00 PM where you are. Have a great weekend!

What's going on with Hydraflash?

cleatus12r
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 11:43 PM
Wait two minutes and I'll have screenshots.

cleatus12r
Fri, February 12th, 2021, 11:47 PM
Here you go.

It worked yesterday.

Power Hungry
Sat, February 13th, 2021, 11:43 AM
What OS are you running? XP? Win 7? 32 Bit or 64 Bit?

cleatus12r
Sat, February 13th, 2021, 11:45 AM
I blame Cloudflare. Why not?

cleatus12r
Sat, February 13th, 2021, 11:46 AM
XP....:happy-dancing:
32

Power Hungry
Sat, February 13th, 2021, 12:29 PM
XP....:happy-dancing:
32

Soo... :matt-roloff:

Microsoft, being the b!tch that it is, has forced me to do something I didn't want to do. Eliminating support for older OS's. The latest version of Visual Studio (VS 2017) no longer directly supports successful installation of software on Windows XP systems, especially on 32 Bit versions. The new software requires an upgrade of the .NET Framework library to v4.6. Unfortunately, this does not support Windows XP.

I'm going to see if there's any way I can actually go back to the VS 2013 version and restore support for XP. I'll let you know what I come up with.

cleatus12r
Sat, February 13th, 2021, 12:35 PM
I appreciate it......but......
Unless you have tons of customers still using this dinosaur and theystart "peacefully protesting", don't trouble yourself with it. I don't NEED internet capable Hydraflash. It was nice to have since I like to be able to tell people what is currently available if they don't particularly like what is recommended and how they'll differ from what they're used to.

cleatus12r
Sat, February 13th, 2021, 08:44 PM
The wife has an old 7 machine that I got her for Christmas when we started dating. She's since moved on (down) to a Chromebook and doesn't use the PC no mo'.

Not terrible I guess. My problem with 10 (parents had 8 and I wouldn't consider it fit for even tannerite fodder) is that you don't get to actually own any software and you can't keep it from "updating" (downgrading) every 3.762 days. If it ain't hooked to the netz, no Excel or word processing programs for you! Subscription and cloud-based only - they got ya by the short-and-curlies!

Eh. I'll see how badly this bothers me. I'm already hating having 1.5 "tuning computers" since I have a disease that causes me to mentally require a redundant backup of EVERYTHING.

Power Hungry
Mon, February 15th, 2021, 12:48 PM
I was able to push the .NET requirements back to 3.5 SP1, which is XP capable, and still get HydraFlash to build.

When you have a second, hook up to the interwebz, run HydraFlash, and let it update. You should be good to go after that and can then disconnect from the "Big Brother Broadcasting System".

Obviously, if you want to pull files form the Hydra Server you'll need a connection, but you can otherwise handle everything offline.

Let me know if you have any further issues. In the meantime, I'm going to look over those Excursion files.

Thanks!

cleatus12r
Mon, February 15th, 2021, 06:25 PM
That dood-'er. :bow:

It's good on the internet computer. The oooolllldddd version of Hydraflash I have on the other 1.5 computers does just fine for the couple chips I have running around here on the various junk in my driveway.

Again, you didn't have to spend time to make my junk function but thanks!

:howdy:

Let me know if you have any further issues.

I've bothered you enough for a few months.

cleatus12r
Fri, February 26th, 2021, 11:01 AM
I said I wouldn't bother you but you've been doing this long enough to know....

The guy having the TNAA4Y2 shift issues was wondering if you'd been able to get a chance to look at calibrations.

Have a great day!

Power Hungry
Mon, March 1st, 2021, 11:44 AM
I said I wouldn't bother you but you've been doing this long enough to know....

The guy having the TNAA4Y2 shift issues was wondering if you'd been able to get a chance to look at calibrations.

Have a great day!

I gave it a look last week, but I couldn't come up with any real problems in the tuning that I could identify.

I don't have an account on FTE anymore. They locked out my old account when I stopped being a sponsor. Could you message the customer and have him e-mail me directly so I can discuss the issue with him? I'd appreciate it.

There shouldn't be any reason we can't get this resolved, I just need some more detail on what the issue is and what approach we need to take.