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Kwikkordead Thu, February 25th, 2010 09:29 AM

A cold start tune?
 
I was wondering if it's possible to make a cold start tune that advances the start of injection a few degrees.
For safety reasons the engine rpm could be limited to 1200 rpm if you forget that it's on that tune and try to drive away.
Reason I am asking is my neighbor's house is directly downwind of my tailpipe and every time I start the engine the exhaust drifts to thier back door.

cleatus12r Thu, February 25th, 2010 01:01 PM

Actually it would be really easy to do in ANY tune. The EOT-based SOI map would easily allow that to happen.

Your thinking regarding an actual TUNE would work too and wouldn't be too hard to do. When I get home tonight I'll post up some ideas for you.

907DAVE Thu, February 25th, 2010 01:06 PM

Is there any more room for advance on a cold engine?

Seems pretty high already.

ChuckD Thu, February 25th, 2010 01:19 PM

Start it and put it on high idle :cool:

Kwikkordead Fri, February 26th, 2010 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleatus12r (Post 25943)
Actually it would be really easy to do in ANY tune. The EOT-based SOI map would easily allow that to happen.

Your thinking regarding an actual TUNE would work too and wouldn't be too hard to do. When I get home tonight I'll post up some ideas for you.

Looking forward to your input.
I'm thinking a tune that has the SOI advanced beyond what is safe to drive with, but without harming the engine at idle or no-load fast idle.
Hence the need for an RPM limiter to remind you to switch away from that tune for driving.
What brought this idea to mind is working with the older VW mechanical injection diesel.
They have a "choke" knob that you pull to advance the pump timing a little. If you don't pull that knob the engine smokes like crazy, if it starts at all, and really struggles to idle. Pull the knob and it instantly clears up, idles smooth and all the smoke goes away.
Pulling the knob makes a difference in how the engine sounds when warmed up, the engine gets louder at idle.
This behavior is consistant for every one of those engines from brand new rebuilt on down to a worn out beater that still has decent compression.
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My new engine in the truck is behaving the same way, as if it needs more SOI when cold compared to the old engine.
Switching to the 1100 rpm fast idle doesn't clear it up, it just raises the engine rpm.
The diesel clatter is also muffled under the excess fuel loading when cold as large clouds of fuel smoke as blown out of the tailpipe.
It will smoke for a long time, much longer than the old engine did.
If I drive away immediately, (gently) it clears within 1/4 mile and sounds normal.
I don't know what changed between the two, I re-used all the temperature sensors off of the old engine.
The new engine came with a new ICP sensor and a CMP sensor, but I have a hard time seeing where those two would make a difference in this case.

cleatus12r Fri, February 26th, 2010 11:14 PM

Something like this? I should try it out in the morning.....




Dan, I know exactly what you're talking about with the "choke" knob on those diesels.

Kwikkordead Sat, February 27th, 2010 08:54 AM

Yes, that is what I have in mind.
The engine makes the greatest amount of smoke on 1100 RPM fast idle.
So what I'm thinking is 30 degree 800 rpm and 1300 rpm: 8 degrees.
60 degrees for 800 and 1300: 6.5 and 7.
I don't know what values are in the 600 rpm cells, but I would like to bump those up a little too.
And all zeros above 1200.

Any higher or lower RPM makes less smoke.

Longshot270 Sun, February 28th, 2010 07:05 PM

:drool2: Wish I could do that with mine.

cleatus12r Sun, February 28th, 2010 08:32 PM

Blue=Stock
Black=Changed

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...starttune2.jpg

907DAVE Sun, February 28th, 2010 08:41 PM

Have you tried it out yet?


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