Got it fast, woohoo it's great, but stinky cab!!

[RUSTY2STUFF]

I am amazed how fast I recieved my Gryphon. I didn't expect it for a while with everything going on. Bill and Corey you guys are the best, you rock.

I do have one concern. I have a Volant CAI, the one with the airbox. I used the tow program and the cab smells like burnt dust, kinda like when you turn on the heat in your house for the 1st time. The drone is also really bad. The tank was about half full of 89 so I pumped her full of 93 and switched to the performance tune and no more smell. It runs great, very little drone and I don't here any pinging. Should I worry about running to lean? If so is there something I can adjust to help? Timing, advance etc? I havn't done anything to the truck besides the CAI and leveling. It's on 05 F150 Lariat screw 4x4 5.4.


Thanks again,
You are the best,
Hope things start getting better and I'm praying for you all.

[88Racing]

Are you using custom or canned tunes?
Stinky cab, burnt dust smell? While using tow tune?
These questions need to be answered.

[88Racing]

Thought about it some more.
You must be running level 2 canned tow tune?
Don't want to burst your bubble but I would only run level 1 canned tranny only tune.
Eventhough the level 2 canned tow tune is richer I think your 05 is running lean.
Like I said before it probably isn't a good idea to try level 2 or 3 anymore until you get your custom tunes.
JMHO

[Jackpine]

I agree with 88 -use the Tranny only tune since you have the CAI. And, does the smell go away in the tranny only tune? If you didn't have a drone before the Gryphon, it should go away in Level 1 too.

The thing that's puzzling, is that there's no connection between your cab and the internals of the engine, so there's no way for any "smells" generated by a tune internally to get to you. You DO get air over the heat exchanger in the heater, but usually, all you might smell is a brief whiff of antifreeze (due to seepage), unless there's a real leak.

You wouldn't have mucked around in the engine bay to install the Gryphon, so I'm at a total loss regarding the smell.

- Jack

[RUSTY2STUFF]

Hello,

Thanks for the input.

Tunes are canned. I am puzzled also. My next question was gonna be where could the smell be coming from? My guess would be from the engine compartment out to the air intake for the heat/ac. That leads to what is actually causing the smell? Something burning, but what? Odd!

I drove to work this morning with the performance tune and the drone is much better, but not gone and the smell was not nearly as bad, but more noticeable when the drone is present. When I installed the CAI (prior to the Gryphon) the drone, performance & drivability got better over time, but never any smell. I believe the pcm adjusted for drone. The drone was almost gone. Is drone more likely to be caused by a lean or rich condition?

Just food for thought:

If the tow tune is richer why would the smell and drone be worse than the performance tune and stock?

I also know there is disagreement on the CAI here, but my previous experience with intakes on motorcycles leads me to believe in them. It’s not just a matter of maximum airflow at wide open throttle. I used to tune street and race bikes (rice burners) before they were fuel injected and different intake shapes, sizes, configurations all effect performance and drivability.
A little of subject, I know. I will start a new post with my thoughts on the subject when I have more time.

If I sound like an argumentative jerk I don’t mean to. Just looking for input.

Again Thanks a Bunch,
You guys are the best

[88Racing]

I don't want to be argumenative either but past occurances have happened on the 04-05's with a CAI and edge/gryphon tuners. Even just running a CAI is already been an issue with some of those year trucks.
We only suggested what we did based those occurances and Bill's past advise also.
Use your CHT in your display.
Record each read out after each tune tried for at least 30 miles at highway speeds.
1. Stock
2. Tow
3. Performance
If the CHT read outs seem to get higher for a certain tune then that tune is running lean. Lean will cause higher engine temps.
Its your truck and you can do to it whatever you like but by posting our concerns for the integrity of the motor we are turning on the caution sign until Bill gets back so he can address your issue.
New motors start at $8K from Ford.

[88Racing]

To the OP,
Was the tow tune the first tune you loaded?
During that first tune load did you open up custom options and put in any adjustments?
Any codes?
There have been a couple of other weird occurances to date when the canned tow tune along with a CAI has been loaded initially with a custom option adjustment.
Usually just reloading the stock tune and then doing a reload of the canned tow tune will clear it up.
That's why I asked.

[RUSTY2STUFF]

I did not. Here is what I did do.

Installed Gryphon and loaded tow tune.
Installed stock tune.
I then reinstalled the tow tune with custom options to adjust gearing. It was correct at 3.73 and adjusted the tire size with the calculation chart.
Drove the truck home with tow tune. Smell and drone were present.
When i got home I tuned back to stock.
Downloaded pegasis and updated Gryphon. Both firmware and Calibration. Neither changed they were both the most recent.
Went for a drive and did the stock 0-60 time and drove a little while.
Then tuned to tow and did the 0-60.
Drove about 10 miles and filled up with 93 octane Shell gas. The tank was about half full of 89 octane.
Drove 10 miles back to the same spot and did the 0-60.
Then Just went home and parked it for the night.

Thanks

[bambo2888]

Originally Posted by RUSTY2STUFF

I did not. Here is what I did do.

Installed Gryphon and loaded tow tune.
Installed stock tune.
I then reinstalled the tow tune with custom options to adjust gearing. It was correct at 3.73 and adjusted the tire size with the calculation chart.
Drove the truck home with tow tune. Smell and drone were present.
When i got home I tuned back to stock.
Downloaded pegasis and updated Gryphon. Both firmware and Calibration. Neither changed they were both the most recent.
Went for a drive and did the stock 0-60 time and drove a little while.
Then tuned to tow and did the 0-60.
Drove about 10 miles and filled up with 93 octane Shell gas. The tank was about half full of 89 octane.
Drove 10 miles back to the same spot and did the 0-60.
Then Just went home and parked it for the night.

Thanks

what are your version numbers for the firmware and calibration?

[RUSTY2STUFF]

Ok on the drive home I noticed the smell is worse when the heat is on and even worse when it is on the floor only. When I got home I smelled the floor mats carpet everything, but no smell. When I took my shoes off I smelled the bottoms and eewwww the smell. I think I may have walked thru something. I will drive it tonight WITH DIFFERENT SHOES and post up when I get home.

I feel STUUUPID . I was out of work most of last week and only wear my work shoes to work which is where my Gryphon was delivered on Monday. It snowed last week and I wonder if something was put down where I work and I walked thru it on my way into work. I installed the Gryphon during my lunch and smelled it for the first time on my way home . If that is it I'm a moron.

Thanks for the waisted brain power.

I'll still post my version after I check them.