Another Question for Cory or Bill

[NHRA6002]

I have an Evo ordered for my truck and plan on upgading it right away. I am looking for answers/advise to the following.

1) On other web sites all you ever hear is that any edge product will wreck you trans unless you have custom tunes which you can't do with an edge so you have to have an SCT. When you upgrade your evo are the trans programming in the canned tunes that are come in the Gryphon the same as the evo or have they been modified.

2) I will soon be installing a 4" t/b Magnaflow, will that make any differance in the required tuning? (with supplied muffler but no cat)

3) Should I also have my FICM reflashed at the same time. It was just replaced (warranty) a month ago.

4) If I have to take my truck back into the dealer can they detect if the FICM has been reflashed?

thanks,
Stewart

05 6.0L CC DRW 4X4

[Jackpine]

I've never heard of Edge hurting transmissions with the canned tunes. Doesn't seem like they'd stay in business long if this was true, does it? My guess is, some people who buy programmers do it to turn their pickups into drag racers, and then they race the things at every opportunity. You do that often enough, and your transmission's toast. I doubt it matters who tunes your truck if that's the way you drive it, it's going to get beat to death.

Exhaust mods seem to have little effect on the tuning, but I'm no expert on this.

My guess is, Ford COULD tell if your FICM were reflashed. The question is, will they try to find out? And, I don't know why you are talking about having the FICM reflashed, so I can't answer that question at all.

Maybe I shouldn't have jumped in here, since I'm not Bill and I'm certainly not Corey! But, I didn't want you to feel "ignored".

- Jack

[NHRA6002]

Just go to powerstroke.org and put up a post that you have a stock 6.0L (03-07) and you are thinking of getting an edge programmer for it and see the response.

The question about the reflash is that the dealer just replaced the FICM and now I am getting about 10-12MPG so if I get it reflashed by Bill and I have to take the truck in for other work will they be able to tell if it is other than stock.

[soutthpaw]

if the dealer replaced the FICM then I am sure they put the latest firmware on it. From what I understand, all Bill does is reflash it with the old firmware . the new FICM programming was done to cut down on warranty claims. Also I thought that the Edge didn't make any changes to the transmission setting but I may be wrong...

I don't understand why so many people want a programmer instead of a Flip chip if that have a diesel

[NHRA6002]

They say trans issues are because Edge does not modify trans settings. I questioned them but of course no logical reply given.

[Power Hungry]

Here's how it breaks down, for our diesel products anyway...

Product availability:

• 7.3L - Multi-Postion Chip, Programmer, Inline Module (Pressure Box)
• 6.0L - Programmer, Inline Module (Pressure Box), FICM Reflash (Standalone)
• 6.4L - Programmer, Inline Module (Pressure Box)

Modifications:

• 7.3L Chip - Engine and Transmission
• 7.3L Programmer - Engine and Transmission
• 7.3L Inline Module - Engine only or Engine & Transmission (based on module type)

• 6.0L Programmer - Engine and Transmission
• 6.0L Inline Module - Engine only or Engine & Transmission (based on module type)
• 6.0L FICM Reflash - FICM

• 6.4L Programmer - Engine Only
• 6.4L Inline Module - Engine only

In regard to complaints about shifting, the bulk of it revolves around the 6.0L trucks running the Juice/Attitude modules. They've historically had shifting issues on levels 4 and 5 and while the "Platinum" includes improvements to the transmission, there have still be some complaints of aggressive shifts.

In regards to the Evolution/Gryphon, we don't generally have shifting complains but I guess there could be a few out there as well. I've seen a few posts in other forums where someone complained about the Evolution and shifting. Oddly enough though, when I asked them if they had ever called Edge to discuss the problem and see if there was a resolution, I never got an answer. Of course, I know the answer was NO because I would have heard about it.

With literally tens of thousands of these programmers on the street, there simply can't be that many transmission problems or we (I) would certainly know about it. I'm sure that there have been failures that have been related to the use of a programmer, but I honestly think that the bulk of those failures are the result of either outright abuse or the failed component was marginal or compromised to begin with.

Things break on their own without any help from the aftermarket and we have no way of knowing just what condition any of the driveline components are in when installing any type of performance products. The reality is that when you increase the power output 50% (or more), sometimes it helps push something that is marginal to the point of failure. We can't help that. I just don't understand how people can jump up and down and get upset when something breaks. We do the best we can to ensure we offer a safe and reliable product, but again... things break.

Take care.

[Corey Cohron RIP]

Originally Posted by NHRA6002

Just go to powerstroke.org and put up a post that you have a stock 6.0L (03-07) and you are thinking of getting an edge programmer for it and see the response.

The question about the reflash is that the dealer just replaced the FICM and now I am getting about 10-12MPG so if I get it reflashed by Bill and I have to take the truck in for other work will they be able to tell if it is other than stock.

I know what you're talking about; I've seen the posts -- and posted in threads! -- about the Evo and transmissions.

Just a quick note here about Edge and transmissions. (What a great example of my lemming quote!) Edge has had some problems with the Juice and transmissions but not the Evo. I think what has happened is that a handful (of the tens of thousands -- probably hundreds of thousands -- of people who have Evos) had transmission issues (unrelated to their programmers) and posted about them. You guys all know how that is on the forums. Soon, two or three original posts about some people having transmission issues that they've decided to attribute to the Evo become Forum Fact! And every lemming jumps on the bandwagon and perpetuates the stories (may even change them up a bit!) even when THEY'VE never even owned a product by Edge.

I will give you an example of something that has happened to us with one of our customers to show you how it can happen. Several months ago, we received a phone call from a very distressed customer (honestly, I have no idea at the point who it was) because something was not working right in his truck. Though he'd had his programmer for months with no problems, he immediately attributed it to the Gryphon. He was sure about it. Turns out, it was actually an issue with his battery. It had 0% to do with his programmer, but it just goes to show you that consumers are very willing to place blame in the wrong place. Can you imagine if he'd posted it on F150online? How many people do you think would believe us if we went on and posted that it wasn't true vs. the number of people who would now have it in their heads and be willing to post about how the Gryphon is screwing up F-150 electrical systems? Lemmings.

When Bill was at Edge, he was responsible for the Ford tuning -- still is, in fact, through a subcontract deal. Anyway, I don't believe he actually did the original tuning on the 6.0L, but don't you think that HE -- above anyone else! -- would have heard about a transmission issue? It would have been HIS job to fix it!

I am 100% confident that the Forum Fact about Evos ruining transmissions is actually a myth perpetuated by lemmings who just want to sound like they actually KNOW something on the forums.

As far as your FICM goes, we put a message on our homepage letting everyone know that Ford is coming out with an update that will fix an issue they seem to be having with the inductive heat strategy. Turns out that their fix for cold start issues is actually killing FICMs (No, it must be the programmers! ). They expect to release it in about 2-3 weeks, and Bill will need 1-2 weeks to incorporate our hybrid strategy into their new update, so we're not programming FICMs until about mid-May. Our FICM program should take care of that crappy mileage situation you're having. Will anyone be able to tell? I'll have to find out from Billy. Sorry, I can give you information about your PCM, but I'm not sure about the FICM.