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[FB Coach]

I’m sold on buying a Gryphon tuner as soon as my income tax return shows up, but I do have a couple of questions.

I recently bought a used 2008 F150, 5.4, 3:73. It has a lift on it but no other mods that I am aware of, it does have 285’s (33’s) on it .This truck does not pull (towing 6,000lbs) as good as my 2001 5.4, 3:55. Probably due to the larger tires, hence why I need the Gryphon.

Questions
1. If the previous owner used a tuner how would I know and what would happen if I installed the Gryphon and tried to install the new tunes? Would that be an issue trying to ever get it back to stock? Not knowing the history of the truck makes me nervous and I don’t want to have a problem. How does PHP deal with used truck with unknown histories? I bought it Certified Used from a dealer.

2. Means that I live in the communist state of California, I have read that Edge tuners are OK for CARB requirements, but Gryphon’s are not. What does that really mean? Do I have to buy the Edge?

3. I have also read conflicting reports of what people do when it is time for their emissions check. Return to stock, leave truck tuned. What does PHP say? California like everything else is really strict on the tests.

Thanks for your help.

[Longshot270]

Originally Posted by FB Coach

1. If the previous owner used a tuner how would I know and what would happen if I installed the Gryphon and tried to install the new tunes? Would that be an issue trying to ever get it back to stock? Not knowing the history of the truck makes me nervous and I don’t want to have a problem. How does PHP deal with used truck with unknown histories? I bought it Certified Used from a dealer.

The gryphon just wont be able to load any of the tunes. I'm not positive on the details but Bill can write you a new stock tune. Just make sure when you first hook the programmer up that there is a zero in the top right corner, the dealership might have reflashed the PCM to have a new hex code if the truck had been programmed.

Originally Posted by FB Coach

2. Means that I live in the communist state of California, I have read that Edge tuners are OK for CARB requirements, but Gryphon’s are not. What does that really mean? Do I have to buy the Edge?

You can still buy a Gryphon. I think Edge has to follow CARB requirements because of the type of company, PHP might be considered a personal business. I'm not really sure about this part so one of the big guys'll have to explain. All I really know about CARB is that they are good at making things complicated. I do know that it has something to do with PHP doing custom tunes, something that EDGE isn't allowed to do.

Originally Posted by FB Coach

3. I have also read conflicting reports of what people do when it is time for their emissions check. Return to stock, leave truck tuned. What does PHP say? California like everything else is really strict on the tests.

Leave it programmed. By returning the truck to stock you pretty much make it forget how to run efficiently. You will also get a P1000 code which will keep them from passing you.

[88Racing]

Originally Posted by FB Coach

I’m sold on buying a Gryphon tuner as soon as my income tax return shows up, but I do have a couple of questions.

I recently bought a used 2008 F150, 5.4, 3:73. It has a lift on it but no other mods that I am aware of, it does have 285’s (33’s) on it .This truck does not pull (towing 6,000lbs) as good as my 2001 5.4, 3:55. Probably due to the larger tires, hence why I need the Gryphon.

Questions
1. If the previous owner used a tuner how would I know and what would happen if I installed the Gryphon and tried to install the new tunes? Would that be an issue trying to ever get it back to stock? Not knowing the history of the truck makes me nervous and I don’t want to have a problem. How does PHP deal with used truck with unknown histories? I bought it Certified Used from a dealer.
If there is a tune left on the truck by the previous owner you'll get a "check sum" error message. At that point Bill will have to help or you can take it to a dealer and get it reflashed to a factory hex. Which will run you $80-$120.

2. Means that I live in the communist state of California, I have read that Edge tuners are OK for CARB requirements, but Gryphon’s are not. What does that really mean? Do I have to buy the Edge?
What they don't know won't hurt them. It looks like an edge and acts like one, Right!?

3. I have also read conflicting reports of what people do when it is time for their emissions check. Return to stock, leave truck tuned. What does PHP say? California like everything else is really strict on the tests.
Leave the custom tune installed and it will pass. Put it back to stock and it will require some driving to get rid of the p1000 code that will happen.
Thanks for your help.

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