Well after having the truck for a full day they have not yet decided what the problem is or what to do to fix it.

They tell me they have NEVER seen codes from both cams at the same time unless there is an oil issue.

For now I gotz a stinkin rental car that is costing me an arm and a leg.

Bill, I know you said you had not been doing any cam adjustments on vehicles with CAI's but that you were gonna look at mine. Did you get the opportunity to look at the coding?

Aaron,

I went back and looked at all the files we did for you and as I suspected, there are not any camshaft adjustments in your files. Even if there were, I'd have serious doubts that it would cause any sort of problem. I've seen tuning with more aggressive camshaft adjustments than anything we do and it just doesn't cause problems. In fact, the Roush stuff used on the supercharged setups is WAY more aggressive than anything we do and they work quite well.

I'd say that if the camshaft phasers are bad that it is most likely related to a lubrication problem. It's possible something related to the filter could be the cause, but I think even that's highly unlikely. I can't recall ever seeing a bad oil filter in 15 years of automotive service... even the cheap crap that some of the 10 minute oil change places use. I would say that it is more likely that there might have been some rubbish on the "wrong" side of the filter which got pushed into the oil gallery and eventually up into the heads.

Of course, this is all speculation. I guess the dealer will know more when they pull the camshafts out and check to see what's actually restricting oil flow to the cam phasers.

Hope it all works out well. :thumbsup:

Thanks for lookin into it Bill. What you are saying is kinda echoing what the service writer is saying, possibly a bad oil change.

I wonder just how much "Stuff" would have to get through the oil though to cause an issue of this magnitude.

I am more irritated that they had it a whole day and haven't even pulled a valve cover yet to take a look inside. Hopefully I will have a solid answer as to problem, solution and who pays tomorrow morning...

Till then it is me and the sexy silver Sebring...

Hopefully you got the full insurance on the rental. Then you can do this...

http://www.ag.auburn.edu/users/parmega/articles/neon/

This is without question one of the funniest articles I've ever read! If you're not spewing beverage out of your nose by the time you hit "Kaboom!", then you either just don't get it, or you are dead!

Enjoy. :D

:hehe::hehe::evillol::hehe::bow:

Funny!!!!

Couldn't help it!!!!!:hehe:

Then, of course the car goes on the used car market after a year and some dear, little old grandmother buys it.... :giggle:

That was a FUNNY article, Bill. :thumbs up yellow:

- Jack

Caveat Emptor my friend... Caveat Emptor.

Same troble - rough idle
 

:shrug:I had a simialar problem last night - very rough idle almost to the point of stalling while waiting at a light. Everything seemed fine before on highway 1/2hour on return from work. Same truck, motor and tuning. This morning no problem to and from work. Same maintenance regarding oil changes etc. Could not see what codes as my programmer out for repair (self induced).
Trucks stock "trouble" light did not come on either.

Would trouble code(s) stay in the computers memory until I get the programmer back?

Neon on the Juice
 

My daughter looking for cheap used car - guess I'll take the Neon off my list:D

If there are any codes, they should stay in the PCM for at least a few days. If I remember correctly, it is based on the number of key cycles before a non-persistent DTC will clear itself out.

Programmer should be back to you soon. Hang on... :2thumbs: