I'm going to add something here. The rental property we own recently had a "gas furnace" problem. I investigated and found the furnace would light, but almost immediately, the gas would be shut off. There was a trouble code light, but six flashes was not on the list, so, I called in a "pro".

There's a "sensor", that detects flame and if it doesn't "see" the fire, it shuts off the gas to prevent a gas buildup. This sensing "probe" can become "dirty". The technician cleaned it (wiped it off on his pants actually) and surprise! The furnace works just fine!

Guess what? The sensor sends a millivolt signal to a control board. Sound familiar? It doesn't take a whole lot to corrupt this signal, and, I suspect it doesn't take a whole lot to corrupt the MAF sensor signal either.

So, I said I liked K&N's response and I even pointed out that Bluejay has been using a K&N filter without difficulty for MANY miles. But, what they say based on their own (probably biased) testing is NOT proof!

Please don't confuse a manufacturer's claims with fact. Everyone puts a "spin" on things.

And, here in the PHP forum, we treat each other with respect. We do not say something like: "This myth is busted and so are your ******** arguments."

Thanks in advance for understanding how we work here.

- Jack

I guess 26+ years of working on vehicles and using performance products doesn't mean much when I try to add something to a discussion.

No, because companies dont lie to make you more willing to buy their product. Kinda like everyone knows redbull really gives you wings.

There you go!
Poor that in your tank!
It will really give your truck wings!:hehe:
Redbull says it themselves!!!!!
But
Not the type of wings that will make your truck fly!
Only the ones it'll get after you have to put it in a grave yard!
:lol:

:surrender: I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I'm sorry if I did. :surrender:

I don't believe that I called anyone any names, used profanity, etc, and I also understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I merely was trying to have a meaningful, fact-based debate by sourcing a reference. (ISO 9001 certified, fwiw)

I'm not trying to be difficult or a pain in the __. I just want the forums I spend time on to be able to answer questions as good as possible. I'm sure you understand that this often means its a group effort, so I just don't want anyone to take anything personally if it looks like I'm trying to correct someone.

I've been kicked off another forum before (reinstated after I talked to the moderator) and I don't want to have to go through that here.

I would gladly discuss anything further with anyone via PM.

According to a UCLA study, 93% of communication is non verbal cues... yet we find ourselves in a world of emails, texts, and other electronic messages (like this one)

-Dave

How do I want to address your issue?
I'm not calling anyone names.
I'm just trying to dispell the corperate propaganda that these companies force feed the propective customers.
Alls I ever said was the testing was a bit one sided.
Believe it or not:
K+N IS one of the better CAI applications to tune with on these trucks.
It has the least amount of droan to contend with besides the 3" AF1(which is not made anymore).
Its just the customers own oiling practices sometimes defeat the sysytem and allow it to foul.
Yes.
I do believe that over oiling is a big factor with any oiled filter application not just to the MAF but to the gumming of the TB also.
Take a step back and look at the problem/situation from the whole perspective.
Set your learnings asside and open your mind to other members views and experiences.
Peace!:)

I have the same trouble pulling my boat...Its worse with the K&N 77 series because it has a metal tube instead of plastic...it wont hurt anything though. I would go with plastic if I did it again though because it isnt nearly as loud and gets more power because the metal tube can heat up a bit.

Just to throw this out there i have used K&N Drop in filters on my 97,04, F-150 I have had No problems at all with the oil affecting my MAS, I just make sure to wipe the filter down after oiling to ensure.On another note if your concerned about filter efficency and you just hate to "oil" your filter i would suggest a Volant Power core CAI. A buddy just had one installed on his 2009 f150(5.4) and just to clarify this system is a sealed unit with air flow coming from the factory hole near the fender/ and also coming from the front where you can add the "scoop" upgrade. Im sold on the idea of getting a Volant if i go to a CAI i like the sound lol of course i also like the sound of nitto mud grapplers over my radio :smiley_roll1:

I just spray my maf with electrical contact cleaner at the oil change following a filter cleaning, I've never had a maf problem.

Joe