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92 5.0 Sat, February 14th, 2009 03:35 PM

Custom tunes CONFUSED
 
I ordered my Gryphon a few days ago and anxiously waiting for it to arrive. Reading some posts here I am now confused since I got only the canned tunes. it seems like everyone has custom tunes and there trucks are mostly stock. It seems from a few posts the canned tunes are really noticeable and when talking to PHP they said custom tunes aren't worth it on a stock truck? Also it is a bit irritating to see they are offering a deal now when 2 days ago I ordered one and did not get the deal?

JWBFX4 Sat, February 14th, 2009 04:16 PM

Well I basically have a stock truck, and I have the canned tunes now. I can definitely say they have made a big difference for my truck. But I did order a custom tune (87 performance) just so that I can run the 87 octane rather than 91 or better. I have seen on other forums where people, with basically stock trucks like the custome tunes better. I believe they say the shift patterns get better as with a couple other factors...someone else that knows more than me can chime in on that factor. But thats just my experience with it so far

SinCityFX4 Sat, February 14th, 2009 04:50 PM

It will be a matter of preference IMO for the custom or canned on your truck if it's stock. I am sure if I am wrong someone will correct me but the stock tunes are a very generalized setup for varying fuels, altitudes, driving habits, etc so I would prefer a custom one even if my truck were stock. There will not be the large benefit like if it was modded, but it would still be better.

Having said that, Corey and Bill will not try and sell you something just to make some money like other tuners and they make that point very clear everywhere they post. If you really want one they will give it you, but they will not push it on you.

twintips_17 Sat, February 14th, 2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 92 5.0 (Post 3704)
Also it is a bit irritating to see they are offering a deal now when 2 days ago I ordered one and did not get the deal?

What deal is this?

92 5.0 Sat, February 14th, 2009 05:57 PM

Go on the PHP website under News and you can see the specials going on.

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Originally Posted by twintips_17 (Post 3708)
What deal is this?


kokopellimotorsports Sat, February 14th, 2009 07:04 PM

I know that with custom tunes Bill can further increase timing and dial in your transmission shift points. My truck is basically stock and it runs better on the custom tunes.

Ty

Chris74 Sat, February 14th, 2009 10:44 PM

Bill's custom tunes are better than the canned tunes.....Period! :yesnod:
whether your truck has mods or not!

Jackpine Sun, February 15th, 2009 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 92 5.0 (Post 3704)
I ordered my Gryphon a few days ago and anxiously waiting for it to arrive. Reading some posts here I am now confused since I got only the canned tunes. it seems like everyone has custom tunes and there trucks are mostly stock. It seems from a few posts the canned tunes are really noticeable and when talking to PHP they said custom tunes aren't worth it on a stock truck? Also it is a bit irritating to see they are offering a deal now when 2 days ago I ordered one and did not get the deal?

Back to your original post: The Gryphon is delivered with canned tunes. That way, you get to play with it while your custom tunes are being built. Once you decide what you REALLY want for custom tuning (and I doubt PHP told you custom tuning was not worth it on a stock truck) then, you tell them your HEX code (very important) and tell them EXACTLY what your goals are (which can be quite different from the "one size fits all" quality of a canned tune.

As far as the price changing, would you have been upset if, two days after you ordered, there was a price increase on the product and you didn't get it for the higher price? Bill and Corey decide to do things like "specials" and then pass those benefits on to customers during the time the special is in effect. I got my unit and tunes without the benefit of ANY special, as did most of us. Do you think Corey and Bill should go back and give us all refunds? You simply cannot run a business that way, as much as all of us would like it.

- Jack

twintips_17 Sun, February 15th, 2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JackandJanet (Post 3740)
As far as the price changing, would you have been upset if, two days after you ordered, there was a price increase on the product and you didn't get it for the higher price? Bill and Corey decide to do things like "specials" and then pass those benefits on to customers during the time the special is in effect. I got my unit and tunes without the benefit of ANY special, as did most of us. Do you think Corey and Bill should go back and give us all refunds? You simply cannot run a business that way, as much as all of us would like it.

- Jack

Well said:thumbsup:

92 5.0 Sun, February 15th, 2009 12:51 PM

I agree with you but having bought many parts for my cars usually a place will tell you about upcoming specials they are gonna have in the near future. And as far as a product going up in price every time this came up I as a customer was notified about the future increase so I could take advantage of the price at that time. Also by the way PHP did say a custom tune was not needed for me.

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Originally Posted by JackandJanet (Post 3740)
Back to your original post: The Gryphon is delivered with canned tunes. That way, you get to play with it while your custom tunes are being built. Once you decide what you REALLY want for custom tuning (and I doubt PHP told you custom tuning was not worth it on a stock truck) then, you tell them your HEX code (very important) and tell them EXACTLY what your goals are (which can be quite different from the "one size fits all" quality of a canned tune.

As far as the price changing, would you have been upset if, two days after you ordered, there was a price increase on the product and you didn't get it for the higher price? Bill and Corey decide to do things like "specials" and then pass those benefits on to customers during the time the special is in effect. I got my unit and tunes without the benefit of ANY special, as did most of us. Do you think Corey and Bill should go back and give us all refunds? You simply cannot run a business that way, as much as all of us would like it.

- Jack


Jackpine Sun, February 15th, 2009 02:45 PM

And, 92 5.0, from posts in the past that Corey's made on this subject, they really don't decide to have "specials" until they do it.

I suspect too, you may have misunderstood something Corey or Bill said to you about custom tunes. If you had no specific driving goals in mind and your truck was stock, then probably the canned tune is fine. My truck was essentially stock (until I made the CAI I put on it), but I knew I wanted to pull a trailer and it was going to involve travel at high altitudes at times, as well as pulling it through the desert in the middle of summer. I also wanted good passing performance but was not concerned with rapid acceleration from a standing stop. Bill thought he could tweak a few things to make these needs better. I started out getting just one tune from him - the towing tune, but have since gotten a non-towing "economy" tune. I like them both.

But - Bill and Corey WILL NOT try to talk you into anything you don't need or really want. Perhaps you did not make any special desires clear to them.

- Jack

seeleyra Sun, February 15th, 2009 07:32 PM

I know this isn't really my business BUT (LOL), I can personally vouch for Corey. I e-mailed back and forth with her for a week not knowing what I wanted but thought I needed 3 custom tunes. After a few more days of back and forth she told me 2 would fit my needs. She knew I had no idea of what I was doing and still did not encourage or coerce me to make the decision to spend more than I needed.

Just my 2 cents!

92 5.0 Sun, February 15th, 2009 09:04 PM

I am not questioning your integrity at all. I can't wait to get it!! When I called I talked to Bill and he was very informative. What Bill said was what you just posted about a custom tune. The way I said it gave a different meaning and gave me a different imoression. So I gathered it was really for modded vehicles not really realizing tunes could be created for such things as "Tow Tunes". I am satisfied with the price I paid but like most consumer's at any store when you miss a deal close in time a person thinks Come On. I can't wait to put this on and now knowing this I might have a custom tune made for when I pull my snowmobile trailer. Had no intentions of making a bad situation here what so ever. I have learned alot from the people here in a short amount of time. Lets put this topic to rest.

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Originally Posted by Groovy Chick (Post 3772)
Kevin,

I have written this post in my head dozens of times since I read your first post. I will do my best to stay objective, but it's very hurtful when someone questions our integrity.

From what I gather, you seem to have two gripes, and I'll address them separately. The first has to do with what I highlighted in two different posts that you've made. Bill and I sit about 10 feet away from each other. I don't know which one of us spoke with you before you placed your order, but I can GUARANTEE you that neither one of us said, "Custom tunes aren't worth it on a stock truck." How do I know? Because about half of our customers are driving stock trucks with our custom tunes. I believe, to paraphrase you, we very well might have said, "A custom tune isn't NEEDED for a stock truck." Those are two very different statements, and I stand by the second one! Custom tunes aren't NEEDED on a stock truck! Tens of thousands of people are currently driving around with the Edge Evolution's canned tunes and are tickled pink. Had either of us gotten the impression that your driving needs would be better served with one or more custom tunes, we would have told you. Think about it -- why would we NOT sell you something that you NEED when in the end, that's how we pay our bills? It has always been -- and will remain -- our policy NOT to sell a customer something he doesn't need, and since we spend at least 10 minutes on the phone with most customers, I seriously doubt that custom tunes weren't discussed; I do however, believe that we very well could have ended the conversation having mutually decided that you would be happy with the canned tunes.

Your second issue appears to be that I didn't mention to you that we were having a sale this weekend. I woke up Friday morning to a Macy's President's Day Sale commercial. When Billy got up, I told him, "By the way, we're having a sale Friday through Monday." That's how it happened, and that's generally how it's happened for the past year. For your own personal knowledge, there have been a few customers who have placed orders right before an upcoming sale (so far it's happened only one time where I actually thought far enough ahead to PLAN a sale) who have been given the discount even though they ordered before the sale actually started. Bill and I tangle with this every time we decide to have a sale. Do we grandfather in the people who have placed an order within the past 2 days? 3 days? Week? We are always trying to find ways of SAVING people money. Unlike many other tuners, we are not in this business to get rich and rip people off. In fact, a Phoenix customer asked us recently why our 6-position chip is so much less expensive than our competition. After hesitating, Bill simply told him, "We just don't gouge the hell out of people."

If me NOT pushing custom tunes on you is still a problem, I will be more than happy to let you choose 1, 2, or 3 custom tunes at the $30 price (usually they're $50 if you order them after you order your programmer). It wouldn't be fair, however, to offer you a free calibration, as I didn't even know that we were having a sale at the time you placed your order. In addition, there were other orders placed before Friday that did not receive the discount, so it wouldn't be fair to offer it to you.

If you would prefer to cancel your order because you think that we weren't completely aboveboard by not telling you about a sale of which we had no knowledge, please refuse your package when UPS delivers it. Upon receipt, I will promptly refund your payment.


Jackpine Sun, February 15th, 2009 11:50 PM

92 5.0, I've chosen to reopen this thread just long enough to point out to you why all of us on this forum have such a high regard for Bill and Corey, in case you missed it).

Notice you could have had the unit returned, on THEIR dime, no questions asked, if you were unhappy with the deal. Notice she is extending the lower "per tune" price to you as an act of goodwill. You are simply not going to find better people to work with than Bill and Corey, in our estimation.

And, in the future, if you have problems with someone, it might be better to use a PM at first, before making your unhappiness public.

Sorry to everyone. I needed to get that off my chest. The thread's back to bed again.

- Jack


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