Datalogging
 

Does anyone know if there is a way to record more than the five or six minutes of data the Gryphon memory will allow? I am plotting/researching the effects oil viscosity has on VCT operation on the Ford 5.4L, especially on cold start and warmup. Will try it with at least a couple of different viscosities besides the standard 5W20. Thanks

Somehow, Jim, I doubt it. Bill would know though. I think you'll have to ask him to be sure.

I don't suppose having a laptop on board, stopping to download data every five minutes is much of a solution? :shrug:

- Jack

Nope, the 5-6 minutes is your max unless you do what Jack said. But if you are able to bring along your computer you dont have to turn off the truck to download the files. You can just unplug it from the truck and save the file to your computer then plug it back into the truck without stopping or killing the engine. I do remember Bill telling me a while back that a feature to connect a computer through the programmer was on his list of future projects.

Since you will be focusing on the viscosity and warmup time/temps you can start recording just before you crank the engine then let it record until the 5 mins are up, that way you will always have your zero baseline and can easily plot the trends for comparison. Just dont forget to record outside temp/humidity when you are doing the tests (you could use IAT temp as one of your PIDs).

Thanks. That leads me to wonder... do you get more time the fewer the parameters you choose? Because I have a bunch of other instruments, the readouts of which I can also datalog, such as coolant temp, oil pressure, etc, using an Isspro Performax system. I really only need two parameters, EOT and VCT. The other info, including actual coolant temp (not interpolated CHT).

http://www.bright.net/~jimallen/GaugohaulicLR.jpg

My name is Jim... and I'm a gaugeohaulic!

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem......:thumbs up yellow:
BTW
Where'd you you get your dual gauge A pillar pod?

Yes but no, the less PIDs greatly increases the log time but there is no way for you to select less PIDs. The stock edge programmers record 6 PIDs for about a minute but Bill made some changes on the gryphons and it is 5 Pids for about 5 minutes, but he may have also adjusted the amount of memory that is taken up for datalogging. Are you positive your truck reads the EOT? Mine only uses CHT because the EOT ALWAYS reads zero on the gryphon making datalogging that PID impossible.

Hey, I recognize that picture. :hehe:
Definitely makes mine look inferior.
http://forum.gopowerhungry.com/membe...ter-consol.jpg

Where did you get the tray mounts for those two lower guages and how did you route the wires? I'm assuming you drilled a hole and routed it down above the CD player.

The pod came from Isspro, but they sub it out and I think you can find them easily enough... just google it.

My Gryphon reads EOT (assuming you mean engine oil temp) on the PID. I hope you don't mean there is a glitch on the datalogging side? Anyway the VCT is disabled when oil temp is around 32F and operation limited until it reaches 100F, so the system definitely uses that temp sensor in the oil pan!

The two gauge pod down low where the ash tray would be is something I found and adapted. I keep the rear diff temp and trans cooler line outlet temp gauges there.

One thing that will be made clear on the link below is that the Performax system uses one wire to drive as many as 29 gauges, so the wiring runs are somewhat minimized under the dash.

You can see more about the gauges here:
Installing Isspro's Performax Instruments - Four Wheeler Magazine

Longshot - what year is your truck? Mine DOES display the EOT if I want it, but I remember Bill saying once that Ford dropped the EOT sensor in later model year trucks for some reason. If yours doesn't have the sensor, you're out of luck.

- Jack

2008 4.6 2v

I really hate to say it.....
SCT is far more advanced in datalogging than the edge products will ever be.....

Yeah, but the Gryphon is what I got!

Duh - I think I remember that now! :doh: I'm pretty sure you don't have the EOT sender.

- Jack

Haha, yeah I was worried once upon a time because I put EOT on the display and it read zero for a few days. If you can read EOT on the gryphon then you can also log it. I just figured I'd throw it out there because I noticed you have an eleventh generation F150. They made some changes for the '08s and throwing out that sensor was one of them.

I just stuck to something easy like MAF sensor variations with the gotts mod to show that a truck wont run lean with the gotts mod. Your pushing a different boulder with your gryphon project. :hehe:
But it probably will work well enough since the engine oil should be warm in a few minutes.

Speaking of which, I'll likely be reverting from my AEM back to a Gotts-like system. Open filter is just too noisy and I just don't run the truck hard enough to benefit from the extra power.

With the short record time available, I will likely test at different EOTs. I'm most interested in startup and 100C, fully warmed up.

I ran open filter and I could barely hear it. I switched back because of the awful intake temps. I was sitting in line at San Antonio Raceway to get some solid quarter mile times and it would climb over 110 degrees every time in 50 degree weather. :disbelief: I was running summer quarter mile times. I'm also thinking the track had something to do with it. Took a single data log and saw some funky stuff from one of the runs compared to the regular logs I have.

You should be able to get some good info, it'll just take longer to build up larger stats.

Don't hold your breath.....
But it looks like with PHP's version of minotaur software for the f150s they might include a live link module so you can use a laptop with the Gryphon. This wouldn't include the CS or CTS unfortunately....:(