Gryphon on a 7.3L

[travisunderwood]

Originally Posted by Power Hungry

Ren,

As Cody indicated, we don't sell very many of the Gryphons on the 7.3L because (1) they have fewer calibrations and (2) they don't have the shift-on-the-fly capability that so many people like.

The tuning for the Gryphon will be the same as that for the Phoenix (including FU and FU2) chips and we can even compensate for the unruly and undesirable calibrations for the most part.

What is boils down to is what makes the most sense for you. Yeah, the Gryphon doesn't have an analog needle to catch your eye, but it does offer visual and audible alerts (flashing display and warning beep) when certain parameters reach a predefined (by you) setting.

The folks that do run the programmer are usually quite happy with it as it fits a specific set of needs quite well. For those who prefer to be able to switch and play, the chip is a more desirable way to go.

I hope this helps.

I have read this whole thread and left with some unclarities.

- Can both the chip and the gryphon adjust speedo for wheel size changes?
- What about the stock computer code does the chip bypass and the gryphon does not?
- will one see better MPG with the chip codes over the gryphon?
- Both options appear to do shift points, is one easier on the tranny?
- I have a 99 F250 7.3 - does the gryphon have an egt probe to read temp, or would I still need a an egt gauge?

Here are my goals:

- Driveability for highway and travel with the maximum MPG possible. Not looking for the most HP, smoke, etc.
- Light towing
- occasional 'fun' factor
- eventually will go to veggie conversion with a dual tank system
- reliability - could be taking this rig south of the border to costa rica

Truck has 141,000 on it, brand new to me. 4inch exhaust, stock injectors, k&n filter (will replace with new intake - not sure on DIY or manufactured one), 4inch lift, larger tires (spacing onthe size and it is -8 outside right now)

I am only really interested in mods that really help MPG for long distance traveling, of course some performance gains will be great.

Thanks
Travis

[Power Hungry]

Originally Posted by travisunderwood

I have read this whole thread and left with some unclarities.

- Can both the chip and the gryphon adjust speedo for wheel size changes?

Neither can. The 7.3L Speedometer is handled in the by the ABS Module and must be reprogrammed with the factory service tool.

- What about the stock computer code does the chip bypass and the gryphon does not?

Correct... mostly. There are ways to use the Gryphon to reflash the PCM away from an undesirable base code.

- will one see better MPG with the chip codes over the gryphon?

If both devices are running the same tuning, there's no difference in performance or economy between the Phoenix or the Gryphon.

- Both options appear to do shift points, is one easier on the tranny?

Same tuning, same results.

- I have a 99 F250 7.3 - does the gryphon have an egt probe to read temp, or would I still need a an egt gauge?

Yes, the Gryphon comes with a Pyrometer thermocouple so you are able to monitor EGTs.

Here are my goals:

- Driveability for highway and travel with the maximum MPG possible. Not looking for the most HP, smoke, etc.

The 65 an 80 HP Daily Driver tunes are designed just for that.

- Light towing

40, 65 and 80 HP Towing tunes would be good for that.

- occasional 'fun' factor

The 100 HP Performance would be a good "play" program.

- eventually will go to veggie conversion with a dual tank system

Minor tuning changes would make better use of a "veggie" system.

- reliability - could be taking this rig south of the border to costa rica

Tens of thousands of trucks run some sort of tuning or another and are just as reliable, if not more reliable, than stock.

Truck has 141,000 on it, brand new to me. 4inch exhaust, stock injectors, k&n filter (will replace with new intake - not sure on DIY or manufactured one), 4inch lift, larger tires (spacing on the size and it is -8 outside right now)

I am only really interested in mods that really help MPG for long distance traveling, of course some performance gains will be great.

Average gains with a good Daily Driver/Street calibration is 2 MPG with some vehicles seeing 3 or better.

Thanks
Travis

Please see the above highlights. I hope these help answer your questions. Let me know if there's anything else you need answers to.

Take care and happy New Year.

[travisunderwood]

Originally Posted by Power Hungry

Please see the above highlights. I hope these help answer your questions. Let me know if there's anything else you need answers to.

Take care and happy New Year.

Thanks!

If you can run the same programming on the gryphon and the chip with the same performance gains, what are the impacts of the negative base codes?

It appears that in my scenario the gryphon would be a good option as long as I don't want to switch on the fly. Which I am willing to accept.

If I purchase the gryphon with custom tunes, can I switch to other tunes without additional cost nor sending the gryphon in as long as they are not custom?

How to choose between 65 and 80 daily tunes and which towing?

There is all this talk about Tony Wildman on the powerstroke forums. Of course this is the PHP forum. Bill - would you say your tunes are on par and just as trusted as the TW tunes?

I just need to decided between the Phoenix or the Gryphon and I am still no clear what is best for me. Seems both will do the trick and the Gryphon has the gauges and other features for simplicity.

Thanks again

[Power Hungry]

Originally Posted by travisunderwood

Thanks!

If you can run the same programming on the gryphon and the chip with the same performance gains, what are the impacts of the negative base codes?

Mostly shifting issues. There are some strategies that tend to have better shifting characteristics.

It appears that in my scenario the gryphon would be a good option as long as I don't want to switch on the fly. Which I am willing to accept.

No problem.

If I purchase the gryphon with custom tunes, can I switch to other tunes without additional cost nor sending the gryphon in as long as they are not custom?

Correct, to an Extent. You can choose from any of the basic calibrations and change your configuration 2 times without charge. After that, it is $30.00 to change the configuration to cover the time it takes to compile the fileset and load it on the server.

How to choose between 65 and 80 daily tunes and which towing?

• 25hp Extremely Heavy: Tow 12,500+ pounds
• 40hp Heavy Tow: 10,000 - 12,500 pounds
• 65hp Moderate Tow: 7,500 - 10,000 pounds
• 80hp Light Tow: Up to 7,500 pounds
• 65hp Daily Driver - Good economy and performance for city and highway driving
• 80hp Daily Driver - Little bit more aggressive than the 65 Daily Driver.

There is all this talk about Tony Wildman on the powerstroke forums. Of course this is the PHP forum. Bill - would you say your tunes are on par and just as trusted as the TW tunes?

First, let me say that this may be a "PHP" run forum, but we have no problem answering questions pertaining to other vendors or their products. We have a good relationship with many of the vendors and tuners out there and we would help a Bully Dog or SCT customer just as quickly as we would our own customers. This forum is all about helping the performance community, not about finding ways to stuff dollars in our pocket or making other products look bad.

I don't have any question that our tuning is just as good as Tony's, and I know Tony would say the same thing. Tony is a great tuner (and a great guy ) and you would be just as happy running his setup as you would be running ours.

I will add (and this is in no way meant as disrespect towards Tony or any other tuner) that we've been tuning the 7.3L for over a dozen years and most of the tuners out there have learned their tuning from me, either directly (through training and/or assistance) or indirectly (through the copying of calibrations I've developed as far back as when I worked for Superchips). Most tuners have gone on to develop their own tuning styles and this is why sometimes one tuner is able to better fit the needs of a customer than another tuner. It doesn't make any particular tuner better than another, just a more compatible fit.

I just need to decided between the Phoenix or the Gryphon and I am still no clear what is best for me. Seems both will do the trick and the Gryphon has the gauges and other features for simplicity.

If switch on the fly is not a primary concern, the Gryphon offers more flexibility and features at an extremely reasonable price. The Phoenix offers more positions, but you'll need additional equipment if you want gauges and/or diagnostics capabilities and this will run the total costs up considerably.

Thanks again

I hope the above answers help. It's often a hard choice to make between the Gryphon and the Phoenix, but ultimately boils down to budget and features. The tuning will be the same so that shouldn't be a consideration.

Take care.

[travisunderwood]

Originally Posted by Power Hungry

I hope the above answers help. It's often a hard choice to make between the Gryphon and the Phoenix, but ultimately boils down to budget and features. The tuning will be the same so that shouldn't be a consideration.

Take care.

On the computer code issue, should I be worried about the shifting strategy differences you mentioned?

On the 85 tow - will it get the best mileage out of all the tows, since that is the weight range I will be in? I don't think I will ever be over 4000 lbs much less up to 10,000

How about the Fuel-Sipper?

Should I consider having you do a custom tune for the gryphon based on what I have said, or go with one of your stock ones?

Whats turn around on a a Gryphon right now?

If we tweak tunes, you email them to me and I can load them to the Gryphon or do I send it back?

Do you sell any intakes, looking at the S&B but did not see any on your site. I know a lot of people do the Napa DIY - but I rather have a cleaner engineered one.

Thanks for answering all this on the forum. I felt it would be well suited here so others can find the information versus calling/emailing.

[Power Hungry]

Originally Posted by travisunderwood

On the computer code issue, should I be worried about the shifting strategy differences you mentioned?

Generally not. There are just some shifting characteristics that are often less desirable. For example, some calibrations don't lock the converter in 2nd gear or won't lock the converter in 4th at full throttle. It's not a problem, per se, but just an annoyance for some folks.

On the 85 tow - will it get the best mileage out of all the tows, since that is the weight range I will be in? I don't think I will ever be over 4000 lbs much less up to 10,000

If less than 4000#, The 80 Towing would provide the best overall fuel economy. In fact, you would probably just as easily be able to use the 80 Daily Driver as the shift strategy would be better suited for economy and at the load you indicated, it's not a significant strain.

How about the Fuel-Sipper?

No longer offered. Too many complaints of sluggish performance due to the lowered shift strategy.

Should I consider having you do a custom tune for the gryphon based on what I have said, or go with one of your stock ones?

Just like with the Phoenix chips, all stock tunes to some degree are still custom. You still get the first download included with your purchase that gives you a choice from the available calibrations. These are built to the specifications of the vehicle (modified injectors, turbos, or dual HPOP systems will require an additional custom charge).

Whats turn around on a a Gryphon right now?

The Gryphon with canned tunes is usually 24 hours. Custom files (including standard custom files) are 2 to 4 weeks.

If we tweak tunes, you email them to me and I can load them to the Gryphon or do I send it back?

Calibrations are provided on our server to be downloaded using the Pegasus Update Client. (Instruction are here: Pegasus Installation and Update Instructions)

Do you sell any intakes, looking at the S&B but did not see any on your site. I know a lot of people do the Napa DIY - but I rather have a cleaner engineered one.

No, we do not sell any bolt on performance parts. We deal strictly with the electronics performance end of things.

Thanks for answering all this on the forum. I felt it would be well suited here so others can find the information versus calling/emailing.

I appreciate you posting. It does help others who have identical questions but aren't sure what exactly to ask.

Take care.

[travisunderwood]

One last question.

'On the computer code issue, should I be worried about the shifting strategy differences you mentioned?

Generally not. There are just some shifting characteristics that are often less desirable. For example, some calibrations don't lock the converter in 2nd gear or won't lock the converter in 4th at full throttle. It's not a problem, per se, but just an annoyance for some folks"

Excuse my ignorance, what is meant the converter is not locked in 2nd or 4th?

Thanks
Travis