Gryphon as code reader

[Longshot270]

I think it is for stuff like electrical shorts for the power windows and stuff.

I think the some stuff like the B1600 do show up. This is a code from the PATS that the signal isn't correct. This code is able to immobilize your vehicle.

[Jackpine]

Yup! There's all kinds of different codes. Almost makes the idea of a tech who could listen and "feel" to diagnose a vehicle problem an obsolete concept. All we need now is a "smart" code reader. Then, we just remove and replace the part that's throwing the code.

- Jack

[Longshot270]

Originally Posted by JackandJanet

Yup! There's all kinds of different codes. Almost makes the idea of a tech who could listen and "feel" to diagnose a vehicle problem an obsolete concept. All we need now is a "smart" code reader. Then, we just remove and replace the part that's throwing the code.

- Jack

Bill would make a killing if he wrote software for the gryphons to do that.

[88Racing]

Originally Posted by Longshot270

Bill would make a killing if he wrote software for the gryphons to do that.

The CS/CTS might have enough memory but the original Gryphon does not.
Thats also why more memory is needed because in the 09+ f150'S they have 2 PCMs that talk to each other.

[cody994x4]

Originally Posted by JackandJanet

Yup! There's all kinds of different codes. Almost makes the idea of a tech who could listen and "feel" to diagnose a vehicle problem an obsolete concept. All we need now is a "smart" code reader. Then, we just remove and replace the part that's throwing the code.

- Jack

I tend to use the listen/feel method alot, though i am not anywhere close to a tech. i just 'know' how my engine sounds/runs/feels etc. i think we all do to a degree. when i blew a plug a cpl months ago, i could def. hear a miss b4 it happened...didnt need a device to know that. lol

and...as far as DTC codes, in many cases its not 1 part thats called out but many. i was getting that p1153 code a while back and the possibilities were close to endless on that one. Believe it or not, since i went off-roading with longshot...that code has yet to pop-up agn...and its been almost a month.
glad i didnt spend money on any parts.

2 pcms??? ...all i can think is why? the only way that makes sense to me is if one were to be responsible for certain data and the other was for another category of data. why would you need 2pcms, if one dont work right the other is just gonna thor things off....maybe thats a question for ford, or mike rowe lol.

interesting thread...

[Longshot270]

Originally Posted by cody994x4

I tend to use the listen/feel method alot, though i am not anywhere close to a tech. i just 'know' how my engine sounds/runs/feels etc. i think we all do to a degree. when i blew a plug a cpl months ago, i could def. hear a miss b4 it happened...didnt need a device to know that. lol

and...as far as DTC codes, in many cases its not 1 part thats called out but many. i was getting that p1153 code a while back and the possibilities were close to endless on that one. Believe it or not, since i went off-roading with longshot...that code has yet to pop-up agn...and its been almost a month.
glad i didnt spend money on any parts.

2 pcms??? ...all i can think is why? the only way that makes sense to me is if one were to be responsible for certain data and the other was for another category of data. why would you need 2pcms, if one dont work right the other is just gonna thor things off....maybe thats a question for ford, or mike rowe lol.

interesting thread...

Maybe you had some soot that was messing up the sensor and you either burned it off climbing up those hills or shook it off when you fell back down.

I think the 2 pcms might be for either the two settings (tow and regular) or one for the engine and one for the tranny. Still an interesting question.

[Jackpine]

Longshot and Cody, it's my understanding that the two PCMs are indeed, one for the transmission and one for the engine. It may work out cheaper in the long run for the consumer, since you shouldn't have to replace both if one goes. But, I'm guessing that each is now more complicated which translates into being able to do more. I'm sure it's in response to getting better fuel efficiency. So, each may be more expensive to replace.

However, we all know that solid state devices tend to work forever once you get past the "burn-in" period as long as you don't do something stupid that "fries" them. Here's where I get nervous about jump starting again, and, I really want to be sure the engine of the "jumping" vehicle is off (no matter which one is doing it), when the ignition is turned ON in the "dead" vehicle.

Cody - you lead me right into what I think is wrong with the way Engineering is taught now. It's all theory. Hardly anyone gets their "hands dirty" any more. I suspect the tech schools are doing much the same - if a testing instrument says it's bad, replace the component.

At Georgia Tech, way back before I was even a student, the Head of the Mechanical Engineering Department, "Uncle" Sy Coon, was quoted as saying to his students, "Boys, the man who cannot look through the cylinder walls of an engine and 'see' the pistons moving up and down isn't fit to be an Engineer." I think that comment still applies.

- Jack

[88Racing]

The dual pcms have been actually around since 07 on the expy's and navi's.
Why does Ford do this? I don't know but GM does the same thing also.
Both of them will introduce something big in their SUV's and a couple of years later it migrates to the pickups.
Peace!

[88Racing]

Forgot this.
One is for engine and body.
The other is for the tranny.
Peace!