Power Hungry Performance Forum  

Go Back   Power Hungry Performance Forum > General Vehicle Related Topics > Towing

Towing
This forum is specifically for questions, comments, or ideas about towing with your vehicle.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 03:46 PM
Diesel Rookie Diesel Rookie is offline
Bacon King
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sunnyvale CA
Posts: 60
Diesel Rookie is on a distinguished road
Question Brake Controller

Any good advice on brake controllers. I find myself needing one. Any good advice on what to look for and good or bad expereinces that I should be aware of when purchasing one.
__________________
2003 4x4 F350 Super Duty Crew Cab Short Bed

4" Down pipe and exhaust, Wicked Wheel, Modified Exhaust Turbo Housing, Big Head Waste Gate Actuator, PML Transmission Pan, Factory Tech Valve Body, Autometer Gage Pod, PHP FU2 Chip
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Jackpine's Avatar
Jackpine Jackpine is offline
PHP Groupie
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Among Elk, Deer and Javalinas on the Mogollon Rim in Aridzona
Posts: 3,243
Jackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to all
Default

I have the Primus IQ. Here's a link to it in Campers World: http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...-control/43938

It was quite easy to set up, but I seem to remember needing the Ford Brake Control harness to hook it up (another $18.00). It works quite well, and the digital readout tells you you're hooked up properly.

There are more expensive ones, like one that works when you're in reverse, but since I don't travel very fast in that direction, I didn't see the need for that feature.

- Jack
__________________

2024 F150 Platinum SCrew 3.5L PowerBoost FX4, Peragon Tonneau Cover, LineX Bed, 35% Window Tint on All Sides and Rear, Full Nose Paint Protection Film, Husky Mud Guards, Lasfit Floor Liners, VIOFO Dash Cam
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Longshot270's Avatar
Longshot270 Longshot270 is offline
Forum Predator
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,878
Longshot270 will become famous soon enough
Default

I have a Journey HD and I like it, but I think my harness came with the truck. If you cant find a harness I'd just go get a ford harness from another brand like Hopkins (Tractor supply, auto zone etc.) and cut the wires. Then use the truck end and splice it to whatever controller you decide to get.

The Hopkins harness is around $14
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 05:23 PM
gabeyd's Avatar
gabeyd gabeyd is offline
Double Whopper
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 28
gabeyd is on a distinguished road
Default

I've been using a Prodigy for a couple of years now, and it works great. I have a nearly 10000 lb trailer, so I do want brakes in reverse. For a lighter trailer, I could see it not mattering.

Here is where I bought mine:

http://www.brakecontroller.com/prodigy1.htm

Free shipping, free wiring harness.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 05:50 PM
cleatus12r's Avatar
cleatus12r cleatus12r is offline
F Your Yankee Blue Jeans
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Somewhere in Montana
Posts: 2,654
cleatus12r is a name known to allcleatus12r is a name known to allcleatus12r is a name known to allcleatus12r is a name known to allcleatus12r is a name known to allcleatus12r is a name known to all
Default

I'm not going to make any suggestions on the brake controller itself....it's like tuners; everyone's got a favorite.

However, make damn sure to look at the directions for wiring up the controller because most of the ones I have installed over the last 5 years (I do a lot) have a warning about hooking up the "brake on" (red) wire on the controller in the Ford trucks pertaining to a ground condition instead of "open" when the brake pedal is not depressed. Some brake controllers cook themselves when the red wire is grounded instead of just being open when the brake pedal is not depressed.
__________________
Tuning, flashing, burning chips, and repairing all aspects of 7.3L Powerstrokes.
SEVEN 7.3L-powered vehicles in the driveway. Two didn't come that way from the factory!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 06:21 PM
Peroni's Avatar
Peroni Peroni is offline
Hit n Miss
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: People's Republic of Taxachusetts
Posts: 23
Peroni is on a distinguished road
Default

Brake Smart or Max Brake. They use a pressure sensor off the brake line for true proportional braking and it works fantastic. Plus they're compatible with either electric or electric over hydraulic brakes. Neither are cheap but you most certainly get what you pay for.
__________________
the 1997 F-350 XLT 7.3L PSD 4x4 CC LB BTS E40D Manual Hubs 4.10 36000 miles when purchased 4/1/06. Mods - ISSPRO Performax gauges, Tymar intake, Tymar 3x4 DP to 4" ss exhaust, electric fuel, CCV mod, tru-cool 4739, Swamps 175/30% injectors, stage I Stealth pump, D66 turbo Spearco 6.0 cac, BDP live tuned tuned 442hp/860tq.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 07:30 PM
408F150 408F150 is offline
Double Whopper
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Gilroy, CA
Posts: 33
408F150 is on a distinguished road
Default

The brand isn't very important, the big thing is to make sure it's the correct type of brake controller. There are 2 main types, the safest by FAR is a "proportional" brake controller, which means when you push the brake pedal to 10%, so does the trailer, and when you push it to 50%, so does the trailer, etc. The other type I believe is "time delayed" (the longer you hold the brake pedal down the harder the trailer brakes) and... can't remember if there are other types. I personally have a Tekenosha Prodigy and it works great towing an 8000# trailer. The nicer controllers allow you to have the trailer brake harder than the truck, which is desired at highway speeds to reduce sway.
__________________
2007 F150 Screw 5.4L FX4
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Diesel Rookie Diesel Rookie is offline
Bacon King
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sunnyvale CA
Posts: 60
Diesel Rookie is on a distinguished road
Default

Guys thanks for the great advice. I really appreciate it. It appears I have more research to do than I initially thought.

Thanks

Joe
__________________
2003 4x4 F350 Super Duty Crew Cab Short Bed

4" Down pipe and exhaust, Wicked Wheel, Modified Exhaust Turbo Housing, Big Head Waste Gate Actuator, PML Transmission Pan, Factory Tech Valve Body, Autometer Gage Pod, PHP FU2 Chip
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old Thu, August 6th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Jackpine's Avatar
Jackpine Jackpine is offline
PHP Groupie
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Among Elk, Deer and Javalinas on the Mogollon Rim in Aridzona
Posts: 3,243
Jackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to allJackpine is a name known to all
Default

And, I'll add that controllers like the Prodogy and the Primus ARE proportional controllers that rely on a "pendulum" in the controller to sense deceleration. The harder you brake, the more the pendulum swings, which in turn supplies more voltage to the electric brakes on the trailer. There's no delay, and yes, both these controllers can be set to apply more braking than you are doing, so you can feel the trailer pulling back on you. I kind of like a "neutral" feel myself, and I have an anti-sway hitch.

There was no possibility of mis-wiring in my case. My truck already had the brake wiring installed as part of the factory tow option (the connector was just to the right of the OBDII port) and the Ford harness I bought with the Primus was an "adapter" that simply plugged into it. I think I may have had to add a fuse though - but I seem to recall that it was supplied with the controller or harness.

Be careful you don't route your brake controller line parallel to the Gryphon's OBDII line. It could cause interference in the Gryphon's display. (Lars brought this up a while back).

Unless you have a trailer with hydraulic brakes, you don't need a controller that has this feature.

- Jack
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:04 PM.


All Contents Copyright 2008-2024, Power Hungry Performance