You'll be pretty happy with the Stage 1's, although there's no real reason to change the HPOP. In about 85%-90% of the trucks, the Stage 1's will run perfectly with the stock HPOP. Stage 1's use less high pressure oil than a standard AD-Code Split Shot. In fact, I've run injectors as big as 400cc on a stock HPOP (detuned of course) and had no problem maintaining ICP. One thing I will advise... If you think Stage 1's are going to be the last injector you plan to buy, then that's fine. However, if you're the kind of person who is hard to keep satisfied and will continue to build on your truck as things get a little boring, get the largest injectors you can afford and just have them detuned to meet your application configuration (HPOP, Turbo, etc.) as this will save you considerable expense in upgrade in the long run. We can easily change the tuning as you make subsequent improvements to the vehicle.

Take care.

Thanks Bill. I will talk to you about it when I am getting close (probably a month or 2). I thought about stage 3 (hybrids) detuned but a few told me to just go with stage 1; so that was my thinking. Are the injectors detuned through your tuning, or on the injector itself?

I have an 03 with PMR's. In theory I would like to go with as much as possible without losing fuel mileage. I also do not think I want to dump a bunch into big oil, fuel, turbos, etc.

IIRC I can only push 400 hp on PMR's. I already think I have egt issues and do not want to be making that worse either. I do not remember if I mentioned it to you or on this forum, but I can hit 1250* by the time I hit 50mph and normal drive temps can be 800*. Seems excessive to me.

I was going to get autoenginuity to see check my HPOP to make sure its not weak or anything. If it needed to be replaced; thats where the T500 came in.

I will have to give you a call when I get closer so you can help me decide on what I really need. Never can have too much, but I also do not want to jeapordize economy/temps. I need to play with your chip a bit too before more mods. Need to figure out what tunes I really like so we know what cutom tunes will be needed for my FU chip.

Fair enough. Just let me know when you have time to discuss it.

As for detuning hybrids, it is all handled through the tuning. We can make a set of 250's run perfectly well on a stock HPOP and turbo by just tuning to match the capabilities of those systems. As you upgrade those systems we can upgrade the tuning to match. Of course, there is arguably some limitations on how much power you can run on PMRs, and my opinion on that differs drastically from the general consensus of 400 HP. However, I've not proven that in my truck yet and I'm not going to risk a customer's truck so lets go with the accepted notion to about 400 HP is all you want to push from your truck.

I look forward to speaking with you. Take care.

Thanks for the info Bill. Look forward to talking again. I will see if I can get a hold of you in the morning tomorrow. I think phone would be better than forum or email.
I have also heard when properly setup; PMR's can handle more as well. Maybe we can throw that into our talk.

Take care as well and sorry to get this thread off topic

Phillip

Interesting reading here as well. As I am planning on some bigger injectors at some point here(hopefully sooner than later!) and have a PMR truck as well.. and Bill will be the one writing my tunes!!! :D

bill did u receive the shipment of chips yet

They must have cause my FU is on its way.
Have you not seen yours yet or got any shipping info? I tried to call today to talk to Bill about more upgrades but they are out of the office till Tuesday I believe.

no i didnt even get anything. not even that the payment was recieved:shrug:

Thats a bummer. Try to email Bill or you will have to try and call on Tuesday.

Corey handles all order processing. If you haven't received any confirmation, it's probably because she hasn't processed it yet. I have no way to check until I return from Florida but will let you know ASAP.

Take care.