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JWBFX4 Sat, March 21st, 2009 10:35 AM

Programming question
 
Ok so yesterday after driving about 15 miles, I stopped and decided to change the programmer to level 1 because I had about 400 miles of cruise on the interstate and no need for the higher octane gas. I still have the canned tunes right now. But heres my question when I went in to the programmer and selected the new level and hit enter,(with the ignition on) my truck beeped and I see on the digital message center it said "Check Gauges" I noticed my coolant gauge wasn't reading, but yet it was up to operation temp right before. But as soon as the programming finished it shot right back up to where it was and everybother gauge was normal.

So basically I was just wondering are all of yall seeing this while changing levels? I dont really see no problem with it, just made me a little nervous at first, and figured I would see if it normal. Thanks

Sburn Sat, March 21st, 2009 01:28 PM

I can't recall the beep, but the "check gauges" part happens during normal programming.

Jackpine Sat, March 21st, 2009 02:30 PM

Interesting. I've never seen "check gauges", but I always program the PCM when the truck is cold in my garage. I notice the information center data is "wiped out" (just a series of dashes) during the process and that my trip odometer gets zeroed after the process is complete. This part's not right - see my post #12.

- Jack

kokopellimotorsports Sat, March 21st, 2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBFX4 (Post 6235)
Ok so yesterday after driving about 15 miles, I stopped and decided to change the programmer to level 1 because I had about 400 miles of cruise on the interstate and no need for the higher octane gas. I still have the canned tunes right now. But heres my question when I went in to the programmer and selected the new level and hit enter,(with the ignition on) my truck beeped and I see on the digital message center it said "Check Gauges" I noticed my coolant gauge wasn't reading, but yet it was up to operation temp right before. But as soon as the programming finished it shot right back up to where it was and everybother gauge was normal.

So basically I was just wondering are all of yall seeing this while changing levels? I dont really see no problem with it, just made me a little nervous at first, and figured I would see if it normal. Thanks

Did you turn it to on before it prompted you to? This might be why it had the check gauges. Just a thought.

Ty

JWBFX4 Sat, March 21st, 2009 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kokopellimotorsports (Post 6256)
Did you turn it to on before it prompted you to? This might be why it had the check gauges. Just a thought.

Ty


No it actually happens right when I hit the enter button on selecting which level. (i.e.)So basically I get in turn key to on(truck off) hit menu,select power programing, select level one(in this case) and as soon as I hit enter then it beeps and says check gauges.

But with all this being said, as Jack stated earlier, it hasn't happen when the truck wasn't warmed up just after getting it up to operation temp. But just that one gauge no other. I dont really see a problem with it since it works, I was just curious if anyone else was having the same thing happen to them. :beers:

Jackpine Sat, March 21st, 2009 10:28 PM

My guess is, this is just an "artifact" of doing it on a warm engine. Interesting though. You're the first person I've seen talk about it.

- Jack

kokopellimotorsports Sat, March 21st, 2009 11:21 PM

Hmmm. Just curious as I don't remember mine doing this. I must not have paid attention.

Ty

JWBFX4 Sun, March 22nd, 2009 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JackandJanet (Post 6261)
My guess is, this is just an "artifact" of doing it on a warm engine. Interesting though. You're the first person I've seen talk about it.

- Jack

Yea its got to be something with the engine already being warm, Im actually surprised some people that try all three levels when they get the gryphon hasn't noticed it, but which I stayed on the performance tune until just the other day.

Ty, I definitely would have never noticed if I didn't hear the beep! Thanks all for the replys.

Sburn Sun, March 22nd, 2009 04:06 AM

If I were to make a semi-educated guess, I would think that the "check gauges" and other observations about the intrument cluster happen when the PCM gets put into programming mode. Our >2004 instument clusters get much of their info like speed and temps from the PCM via the CAN bus. So if the PCM is busy doing something critical like getting reprogrammed, it's possible that the usual information between the two stops and the instument cluster thinks it has lost its' "mommy" --the PCM, and the ICM "cries" the only way it knows how. It all gets better when the PCM comes back to life after programming and everybody (all the modules) start talking again.

Dragoon Sun, March 22nd, 2009 10:30 AM

The trip meter gets wiped on a program? I am conidering picking up one of these units but I don't like that. I record my mileage and gas consumption religiously. And as forgetfull as I can be I would never remember to record it before a re-program.

average-joe Sun, March 22nd, 2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoon (Post 6281)
The trip meter gets wiped on a program? I am conidering picking up one of these units but I don't like that. I record my mileage and gas consumption religiously. And as forgetfull as I can be I would never remember to record it before a re-program.


The trip meter display does not get deleted on your truck.

Jackpine Sun, March 22nd, 2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by average-joe (Post 6283)
The trip meter display does not get deleted on your truck.

You are absolutely right and I was wrong! :shrug: Must be my rapidly fading brain cells! I was certain I saw the trip odometer get zeroed before, but, I just set the tune back to Level 0 (since I'm taking the truck to the dealer for some service) and, neither the trip odometer or Avg MPG figures were reset. :crazy:

- Jack

XPerties Mon, November 2nd, 2009 01:48 PM

I know this is an semi-old thread but prior to the Edge being upgraded to the Gryphon whenever I programmed hot or cold I never got any of the "check gauges" on my display. My Gryphon just came UPS today so I had to run around for a bit and when I was at the local 7-11 I programed to my custom tune and I got the "check gauges" displayed which did go away after the programming was done.

I've never seen this and it did cause some panic attack for a second. :shrug:

Jackpine Mon, November 2nd, 2009 06:27 PM

It would give me a heart attack too! I've never seen a "check gauges" display, and don't really know what you're talking about. Is this something that came up on the dash gauges?

Maybe, just maybe, it's the sign of a weak battery? Weak batteries seem to be the cause of MANY programming problems.

- Jack

XPerties Mon, November 2nd, 2009 06:32 PM

Yes it was displayed on the dash LED display. Well my battery is the original and I'm in an 05 but my voltage is spot on and never had any major draws.

Jackpine Mon, November 2nd, 2009 06:53 PM

I replaced my OEM battery about a year ago. I would not trust yours at all, due to its age.

We had a LONG thread on batteries a while ago, you might look for it.

But, if you have a voltmeter, take a "resting voltage" reading of the battery after it's been sitting for several hours, preferably overnight. To do this properly, you want to open your hood the night before so the battery is exposed and you can get to it without opening doors which will activate electrical components.

If the resting voltage is in the neighborhood of 12.7 V or better, you are fully charged and I'd guess your battery is good. If it is below 12.4 V, I think your battery is on its last legs. Anything in between is grounds for a load test.

- Jack

JWBFX4 Mon, November 2nd, 2009 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XPerties (Post 17179)
I know this is an semi-old thread but prior to the Edge being upgraded to the Gryphon whenever I programmed hot or cold I never got any of the "check gauges" on my display. My Gryphon just came UPS today so I had to run around for a bit and when I was at the local 7-11 I programed to my custom tune and I got the "check gauges" displayed which did go away after the programming was done.

I've never seen this and it did cause some panic attack for a second. :shrug:

Well I figured I would chime in since I started this thread a while back....

Although since your truck is an 05 and the battery MIGHT be weak, IMHO I don't think thats the problem in this case.

Ever since I have started this thread and changed levels my truck has always said check gauges. Now mines an 06 with the original battery and I thought it could be a bad battery so I swapped in the battery out of my friends 08 and went to program and bamm the same thing happened. I think Sburn's post got the problem just right.

Because the oil pressure and the coolant temp gauge are the two not working (in my case) and I assume since it will not give a reading to the gauges during programming the truck thinks one of them are broke.

88Racing Mon, November 2nd, 2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XPerties (Post 17194)
Yes it was displayed on the dash LED display. Well my battery is the original and I'm in an 05 but my voltage is spot on and never had any major draws.

Living on borrowed time with that battery!
That's what I thought with mine also but I had a cat involved! Haha
only had 28K on that battery.
Maybe it makes a difference if they are DD or garage queens.

Lars

F-One-Fiddy Tue, November 3rd, 2009 05:19 PM

My 05' F150 FX4 will also display the "check gauges" during any programming and this display will remain until the PCM has been fully re-written. Then all is well. I agree with the idea that the gauges are not talking to each other during the programing. I have the edge, not gryphon.

Thanks,


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