why cant i run a 120 race on a early 99
 

got a early 99 7.3L and they say i cant run a 120 race because of injectors and turbo. but does it really batter. well it mess up anything? and what does wisper mode do to make it quite?

"they say"?

Who says?

You CAN run that program, but you'll never see that kind of additional power (and don't feel too bad because the 99.5-03 guys can't either).

'94 to '97 and early '99 Power Stroke and International trucks are fitted with smaller volume injectors than the late '99 and up Super Duty trucks, and as such are limited to increases of about 65 HP for the '94 to '97 and 100 HP for the early '99. Some trucks, depending on tolerances, may be able to utilize up to 80 HP and 120 HP respectively, but we cannot guarantee that the power gains will be achieved. Trucks with modified injectors are not subject to these restrictions.

this is straight from the website. i am taking it as if the most you can go for a early 99 is 100HP

Yes it actually does matter, the injectors can only supply a maximum amount of fuel, and the turbo only so much air, so with limited fuel and air you can only get a certain sized explosion in the cylinders.
Bill won't sell you a tune that will knowingly hurt your truck, so he doesn't offer them unless you have injectors that can handle that much fuel in the time that it needs to be injected. If you want to run it you would need different injectors, and maybe a new turbo, but I don't know about that.
Hope that helps.

Heck, I get orders ALL THE TIME for people with stock 95-97 trucks that have 120R/140X listed (and we don't even make those tunes for those trucks). It's a breath of fresh air to see that somebody actually read the website before ordering.

We offer a 120R and 140X for the E99 trucks. In all honesty though, none of the 99.5-03 trucks run any stronger than an E99 trucks by the seat-of-the-pants dyno.

Ticopowell your telling me NO i cant get 120R but Cleatus you tell me YES i can get 120R for my E99?

so what is it yay or nay.

Im new to the forum and dont know much about the guys who run this thing. word has it there sick or in bad cond. ( hope yah get better) .. so im just wondering if there is anyone i can talk to via phone. i called and called and no one answer.

back to the point. i have replace all the injectors but stock, got a wicked wheel and removed the EBPV from the turbo so she breaths better. and a boost fooler.

I was told on the phone the Injectors can only supply so much fuel. They will be wide open and only produce 100 hp. All the 120 will do is hold the injectors wide open and performance will not increase for the early 99s.

send cleatus a PM & ask for his phone #, I bugged him a couple times on the phone before I ordered my chip & you will not find a better fella to answer your questions without making you feel like a dumbass.

wont let me PM he got it blocked hahaha, it would be nice just to talk on the phone. not big on waiting on a answer yah know.

cleatus12r- anyway you can PM me.

my friend has a php and he said that lope idle is also 140 hp, that true?

I disable PMs because it keeps correct information on the forum and helps prevent the spread of FMD (forum misinformation disease).

We sell 120/140 calibrations for the E99-2003 trucks. Do the trucks benefit from them? No. Usually the pulse width becomes so high that injection pressure drops like a rock and all they do is smoke and cause high EGT. There is ZERO reason to order a performance calibration in excess of 100 HP on a stock-injector'd E99-2003 truck. The 120 and 140 calibrations are written (and named as such) because it helps keep track of low boost fuel changes and pulse width changes without making up absurdly long names for various 100 HP calibrations.

The ridiculous lope idle programs are written on 65 HP programs for the 95-97 trucks and 120 or 140 HP programs for the E99-03 trucks (no rhyme or reason as to which ones except the 2002-2003 trucks that are limited to 120 HP programs because of the nearly guaranteed presence of powdered metal connecting rods). However, the 95-97 trucks are a hit-and-miss deal with the lope because of the wide variances in high pressure oil system condition and the fact that single shot injectors are a lot more finicky with the programming to lope reliably/decently.

^WHS.

And btw no need for a boost fooler with PHP tunes, bill actually knows how to turn the PCM 'overboost' code off, ;).

And yes the 'higher' hp tunes will give you as much as your truck is capable but that is it..

well i said screw it and just ordered it stock, 80 daily, 80 pre, 100 race,120 race, lope in that order.... does that seem alright?

and how long till i get a confermation email

Well, you ended up with four similar programs; one of which will idle badly.

That's the truthful answer.

**** what do i do !!!! and what one will idle badly the lope
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Give them a call; Cody said they are out of chips and won't get more in till Friday. You can also ask them which tunes will best fit your needs

hahahhahaha i called every day for the last past week from 930 till 3 every hour. and i have yet to hear something than the automated message. im sure i can recite everything the guy says:hehe:

idk whats going on , but it would be great just to talk to someone on the phone than on here ( not much of a Forums guy)

Nobody talked to me......

You may have talked to Corey, but not me. Just in case you're wondering how I know that, I only answer phones on Fridays and I didn't know that PHP was out of chips (because I don't work out of the GA office).

Sorry Cory, didn't mean to put inaccurate info out and thanks for the clarification.

I talked to a guy at PHP. It was definitely hard to get through, guess I got lucky. I asked what the turn around time was on a chip. They said they had some for some of the orders but were out and would have some on Friday. So they could have one out on Monday if I ordered by Friday.
I hOpe perry stroke can get to someone. I'm sure you guys are very busy; it's just a bummer when it's so hard to get through to somebody

I called back this morning to ask more questions. I actually got through 2 different times and talked to Bill. He is supposed to call TS today to see what the status is on the chips. He should have them in the next day or so.
I think I am going to try the FU chip. Technically I probably do not need it, but might be better in the long run for what I am doing.

called today from 1230 till 115 , called got message, called got message so on and on and on and on and on. i basically called about 4 times a minute for 45 mins and not a damn thing, starting really to get pissed. what is going on ??? there is no possible way that i can call and call and call and call and never get anyone

Thats weird; I talked to Bill on 2 different occasions this morning to ask questions. I talked to him between 11-12 their time. Only took 2-3 callbacks in a row.

I did get confirmation from Bill that they are out of chips and should be getting more within the next few days. He is supposed to cal TS to see what's going on.

I can understand your frustration but hang in there. If I don't get an answer I call back immediately. Usually a few times of that has worked. I have not been getting the attendant either, just ring. 5 or so rings and I hang up and try again

what number r u dialing. because when i call it rings 4 times then "thank you for calling power hungry preformance.... blah blah blah" and then i hang up and call back in like 10 mins. i have been doing that everyday for the last past week. Today i called at 12:30 - 1:15 non stop. i would call and if i got the message, hang up call again... so i did a total of 45 mins of non stop one call after another. I felt like a stalker. I looked at my phone after that 45 mins and it said i made 251 calls to that number and i just had to laugh. i never got through to anyone hahhahaha. its killing me not being able to talk to anyone. :confused:




ps. does anyone know why the early 99 7.3L wont idle on lope tune?

what number r u dialing. because when i call it rings 4 times then "thank you for calling power hungry preformance.... blah blah blah" and then i hang up and call back in like 10 mins. i have been doing that everyday for the last past week. Today i called at 12:30 - 1:15 non stop. i would call and if i got the message, hang up call again... so i did a total of 45 mins of non stop one call after another. I felt like a stalker. I looked at my phone after that 45 mins and it said i made 251 calls to that number and i just had to laugh. i never got through to anyone hahhahaha. its killing me not being able to talk to anyone.




ps. does anyone know why the early 99 7.3L wont idle on lope tune?

What are you talking about?

It will lope just fine and be stupid all day long. It's a pointless calibration that simply attracts attention and it wouldn't hurt my feelings if it were to go the way of the Smokeshow tune.

As already stated, an engine's output is going to be limited by the size of the injectors and the turbo. Pushing injectors beyond their capacity is not productive, and in many cases can actually cause the engine to run worse due to certain characteristics of the HEUI injection system and the IDM (Injection Driver Module) output waveforms. I could sell you a 200 HP tune, but it's not going to make 200 HP no matter how much you want it to. We have limits on the power outputs for most vehicles to accurately match the acceptable power output levels for the installed components. On 2002 and 2003 trucks, we have power output restrictions to prevent the engines from being damaged due to connecting rod failure.

So it comes down to this... Feel free to order what you like, but be aware that if you have an early 99 and order a 120 HP tune, DO NOT expect 120 HP. It's just not possible given the configuration.


Here's the thing. From 9-12 we now have two people answering phones. From 12:30 to 3:00 there is one person. Our phones ring pretty constant and when it rings we pick up. Some calls may take 5 minutes, other calls may take over an hour. According to Vonage logs, MY average call times just for today were 32 minutes with my longest call being 67 minutes. Obviously, I can't answer two calls at once so sometimes it's difficult to get through.

We've suggested to customers that need to speak to us to please e-mail us with your name, number and convenient time-frame to call back and we will call you back as quickly as possible.

For reference, "psycho" calling every 30 seconds is really irritating and doesn't make me or anyone else hang up the phone on someone any faster. When I'm on the phone with you, you wouldn't want to be interrupted or have me rush you off the phone to grab another call. Please use some courtesy when calling or please e-mail us with a time we can call you back. Most calls are returned after 6:00 pm ET, but other times can be arranged if necessary.

I know, Cody. Corey would like them to go away, too. It might at some point. I just don't know yet. :shrug: At least it's not as bad as the SmokeShow program was. That was such a waste of fuel and gave trucks a horrible image and reputation.

The only one that I know of: OFFICE: 678-890-1110

Bills explanation clears things up a bit.

I got bill to answer today. i had a million questions i was going to ask him for the last past week and wouldnt you know it when i got on the phone with him. i forgot everything i was going to ask hahhahahha. bill your a great guy and i was probley one of them crazy callers. you answered everything i asked of you. i look forward to having one of your chips installed. cant wait ! hahahhaa. like i said today on the phone with you today. the only downfall is me selling off my edge to buy your chip. and im going crazy and am really pissed driving my truck around..... i swear i saw a snail pass me today going down the highway:hehe:

:hehe: :smiley_roll1: :rofl:

If you come up with any other questions, please be sure to post them. Even if I don't get to them, someone may be likely to be able to help.

Take care.

I'm glad you finally got through:happy-dancing:
I know what you mean about forgetting what you want to ask. The first time I talked to Bill, I started forgetting because I was worried about not getting to ask everything I wanted. I had to call back to ask a few more questions and still forgot one.
I ended up emailing last night so he would have it in his inbox today...and he responds back. This was at approx 1:00am his time:notallthere::yikes2:

I understand they are very busy and it can be hard to get through, etc, etc, but I have so far had a great experience and can't wait for my FU to arrive. Not sure how long it will be, but I still have my DP to hold me until it arrives.

You are going to be amazed how much more driveable bills tunes are compared to ... those.

Thanks, I am hoping for noticeable improvements. I have noticed DP seems a bit touchy. Never thought about it till I started researching ts style chips. I've had 4 yrs now, time for a change/ improvements:cheesy smile:

I am excited and can't wait. Next step will be stage 1 sticks and possibly t500:shrug:

You'll be pretty happy with the Stage 1's, although there's no real reason to change the HPOP. In about 85%-90% of the trucks, the Stage 1's will run perfectly with the stock HPOP. Stage 1's use less high pressure oil than a standard AD-Code Split Shot. In fact, I've run injectors as big as 400cc on a stock HPOP (detuned of course) and had no problem maintaining ICP. One thing I will advise... If you think Stage 1's are going to be the last injector you plan to buy, then that's fine. However, if you're the kind of person who is hard to keep satisfied and will continue to build on your truck as things get a little boring, get the largest injectors you can afford and just have them detuned to meet your application configuration (HPOP, Turbo, etc.) as this will save you considerable expense in upgrade in the long run. We can easily change the tuning as you make subsequent improvements to the vehicle.

Take care.

Thanks Bill. I will talk to you about it when I am getting close (probably a month or 2). I thought about stage 3 (hybrids) detuned but a few told me to just go with stage 1; so that was my thinking. Are the injectors detuned through your tuning, or on the injector itself?

I have an 03 with PMR's. In theory I would like to go with as much as possible without losing fuel mileage. I also do not think I want to dump a bunch into big oil, fuel, turbos, etc.

IIRC I can only push 400 hp on PMR's. I already think I have egt issues and do not want to be making that worse either. I do not remember if I mentioned it to you or on this forum, but I can hit 1250* by the time I hit 50mph and normal drive temps can be 800*. Seems excessive to me.

I was going to get autoenginuity to see check my HPOP to make sure its not weak or anything. If it needed to be replaced; thats where the T500 came in.

I will have to give you a call when I get closer so you can help me decide on what I really need. Never can have too much, but I also do not want to jeapordize economy/temps. I need to play with your chip a bit too before more mods. Need to figure out what tunes I really like so we know what cutom tunes will be needed for my FU chip.

Fair enough. Just let me know when you have time to discuss it.

As for detuning hybrids, it is all handled through the tuning. We can make a set of 250's run perfectly well on a stock HPOP and turbo by just tuning to match the capabilities of those systems. As you upgrade those systems we can upgrade the tuning to match. Of course, there is arguably some limitations on how much power you can run on PMRs, and my opinion on that differs drastically from the general consensus of 400 HP. However, I've not proven that in my truck yet and I'm not going to risk a customer's truck so lets go with the accepted notion to about 400 HP is all you want to push from your truck.

I look forward to speaking with you. Take care.

Thanks for the info Bill. Look forward to talking again. I will see if I can get a hold of you in the morning tomorrow. I think phone would be better than forum or email.
I have also heard when properly setup; PMR's can handle more as well. Maybe we can throw that into our talk.

Take care as well and sorry to get this thread off topic

Phillip

Interesting reading here as well. As I am planning on some bigger injectors at some point here(hopefully sooner than later!) and have a PMR truck as well.. and Bill will be the one writing my tunes!!! :D

bill did u receive the shipment of chips yet

They must have cause my FU is on its way.
Have you not seen yours yet or got any shipping info? I tried to call today to talk to Bill about more upgrades but they are out of the office till Tuesday I believe.

no i didnt even get anything. not even that the payment was recieved:shrug:

Thats a bummer. Try to email Bill or you will have to try and call on Tuesday.

Corey handles all order processing. If you haven't received any confirmation, it's probably because she hasn't processed it yet. I have no way to check until I return from Florida but will let you know ASAP.

Take care.

bill did they come in yet. i have a mud bog on the 12th. no rush but it would be nice to have it for then.