Well very few of us Coal Rollers use a programmer like the Gryphon cuz a Phoenix flip chip and seperate gauges is sooo much nicer... once you have experienced shift on the fly with a chip, you will not want a programmer.. I believe you get more position options on the chip...
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2001 Ford Excursion 7.3 4x4
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