Pro's & Con's Gryphon vs. Phoenix + Edge Insight

[wood4heat]

Originally Posted by ticopowell

Also Bill's tunes are the same across all his platforms, so the phoenix can have the same ones as a Gryphon.
Hope I helped.

That's what I would think. Even though I'm interested in the Phoenix I wonder how you can order off the menu with the FU chip but need all pertinent info from your truck to tune the Gryphon. Seems like you would get a higher level of customization.

Is it just because he writes Gryphon tunes to work with your ecm programming and chip tunes simply replace the existing program? If that's the case do chips have a shorter lead time?

Oh and you did help!

[ticopowell]

I think the phoenix somehow replaces the ecm so you don't need to know what tune you have... but I could be wrong, I have been before. I dont think though that this will change the wait because he will still customize the tune to you and your specific truck, plus he works on orders in the same order that he recieved them.
Glad I could help

[widieseltech]

i have the gryphon cs tunes by bill tunes are great if your not going to go crazy with mods then i would get a gryphon cs, for me i wish i would have got a phoenix chip now because when i bought it i was only planning on doing a chip, exhaust and intake. now i have a chip, intake, exhaust, regulated return, garrett gpt38r, im planning on doing stage 1 single shots. so a 6 pos chip would work better for more customizable tuning in my opinion. If your looking for a gryphon cs i'd maybe sell you mine.

[Jackpine]

Instead of the Edge Insight - You might want to look into this: UltraGauge Automotive Information Center and OBDII Scan Tool

I don't know if it will work in your truck, but at the price they are quoting, and for what it can do, I'd sure find out.

Then, the Phoenix chip is a VERY good choice for your truck to get better performance. And yes, it does magical transformation on the ECM that works "on the fly" and other neat things that the Gryphon can't do. I think it is way cheaper, too.

- Jack

[wood4heat]

Originally Posted by JackandJanet

Instead of the Edge Insight - You might want to look into this: UltraGauge Automotive Information Center and OBDII Scan Tool

- Jack

Interested... Looking at the web page I wonder if it's aimed more at gas vehicles. It does list the 7.3 but doesn't show EGT's boost or trans temp as options. For that price I'll definitely give them a call to verify though. I'll post back with anything I learn!

[wood4heat]

Their website doesn't list any contact info but I did look at the list of gauges offered. It appears to be all 75 that they claim and does not show the big three us diesel guys are interested in. (EGT's, trans temp, or boost) Unless anyone knows more about them I guess I'll be sticking with the insight.

[ticopowell]

correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt an EGT guage and a boost guage require a seperate sensor? I know they should all have a trans temp sensor, but the others I thought were all aftermarket stuff... so the insight might need an extra sensor to monitor that too... thanks for the info