Economic Fix, sometimes simple ideas are best

[Jackpine]

Originally Posted by soutthpaw

here is a simple analogy the school bully beats up some kid and takes his money.. lets give the kid who got beat up detention and let the bully keep the lunch money...
Basically what these different financial rescue and stimulus bills are doing

Somehow the little guy always takes it in the ear (and other, more painful places) doesn't he? I wish there were a way to let AIG, CitiGroup, GM and similar companies fail without hurting all the employees who put their faith in those companies. And, without hurting all the smaller companies that do business with the big ones, like the parts suppliers to GM.

I'm not bright enough to figure out how to do this though. I doubt anyone really is. (If only there were a way to prove "criminal intent" on the part of the executive officers that set up conditions that allow these situations to happen).

- Jack

[88Racing]

Just thinking

Fair-flat tax everyone and everything 12%.
No socialized medicine.
Tax breaks/incentives for corperations who bring jobs and or products back to USA.
The mortgage idea.
Any businesses in USA can't bank over seas. NAFTA countries only.

Just some thoughts.

Lars

[soutthpaw]

Originally Posted by 88Racing

Just thinking

Fair-flat tax everyone and everything 12%.
No socialized medicine.
Tax breaks/incentives for corperations who bring jobs and or products back to USA.
The mortgage idea.
Any businesses in USA can't bank over seas. NAFTA countries only.

Just some thoughts.

Lars

the only one I don't agree with is socialized medicine... the whole use of "socialized" is a political clique (sp)

I believe that healthcare should be a right and not a privilege. as long as healthcare is a business and not a service its going to continue to take advantage of people in the name of profit...
Did you know that Fire departments started out as a business venture. Funded by insurance companies to respond to fires of their policy holders and hopefully reduce the amount of loss. so if you didn't have that policy then you watched your house burn down... At some point government decided we needed to provide this valuable service to everyone regardless of their financial status.

We already have a socialized (meaning ran by the government) medicine. its called Medicare, Medicaid, and VA health care etc...
I do not know what the end solution is, some sort of combination of a socialized system and a private system.. like exists with medicare... you can purchase a supplement plan for more benefits, less out of pocket etc... the key is that everyone is qualified for the plan and pays the same premiums
#1 cause of small business failure is due to medical expenses
People say they don't want government deciding if they should get medical care.. (it already does, see above) How is that worse than the system currently in place? Right now you have insurance CEO's and other corporate types deciding if you health and life is too costly to their bottom line... (many cannot even qualify for private health insurance) Tell me how that is good for patients?

[88Racing]

The only reason I said no to socialized medicine for the general public is this:
Ok so you needed to have dialysis. Through sm your name goes on a list then the wait starts and you may die before getting it. Why? The government will only allow only limited numbers to get dialysis a year. Evrything would have a certain number for each proceedure per year.

Lars

[soutthpaw]

Originally Posted by v88Racing

The only reason I said no to socialized medicine for the general public is this:
Ok so you needed to have dialysis. Through sm your name goes on a list then the wait starts and you may die before getting it. Why? The government will only allow only limited numbers to get dialysis a year. Evrything would have a certain number for each proceedure per year.

Lars

That really comes down to how it the system is structured. no one on medicare is denied dialysis if they need it... but you are correct about waiting lists for non-emergent or (elective) proceedures in many countries that have exclusively a socialist type of health care system. That's is why I would advocate for a combined system like medicare and supplemental plans..