bunch of questions about gryphon for 04-08 f150 5.4

[kymudder08]

so you can change the tire size on the custom tunes? what does the level 1 tranny tune and level 2 tow tune mean? like do the levels mean what mode, such as level 1 is the first tune, level 2 is 2nd tune, etc? what custom tunes would you reccomend for me, heres some info that you may need:
most i would tow at this current point in time is a 6k lbs bumper pull camper
only performance mods i would add is a CAI, full catback exhaust, and maybe some aftermarket filters.
i dont ever use any fuel other than 87 octane so any tune using other fuels is useless to me.
my driving style is moderate to normal. my truck has never seen RPMs over 3k and usally never over 2500 RPM. i drive w/ sense, unlike most other kids my age. lol. i drive for a living so i have do be a sensable driver so that bad habbits dont go to the job.
if theres anymore info that i should add just LMK.

so how much is just the programmer w/ canned tunes? is the pod an extra $45 or does it come w/ the tuner? cuz the way you said it, it sounds as if you were saying that edge charges extra for it and when you buy it its just added into the cost of the tuner itself. im deffinately getting a gryphon when im ready to purchase bc of the many great things that i have read and heard about it.

[Jackpine]

You can change the tire size on any tune other than the "Stock" tune (what your truck came from the factory with).

The Levels are just numbers. 1, 2 and 3. The Stock tune is at Level 0. You could just as easily call them Level A, B and C.

Your driving sounds a lot like mine, Except I DO see high RPMs once in a while. One place is in passing on 2-lane country roads (I prefer to get around the other guy quickkly) and, when pulling my trailer up a steep mountain highway that's fairly straight with a normal speed limit, the RPMs will be high due to the lower gear.

I'd get a custom "daily driver" tune set up for the kind of driving you do and your driving style - you need to tell Bill these things. And, I'd get a custom towing tune for that 6K trailer. I'd put these tunes in the Level 1 and 2 positions, leaving the Level 3 93 octane performance tune alone. If you put in a commercial CAI, Bill needs to know it.

- Jack

[Longshot270]

Im sure most people find this annoying as heck but w/e

"so you can change the tire size on the custom tunes?"
-yep

"what does the level 1 tranny tune and level 2 tow tune mean?
like do the levels mean what mode, such as level 1 is the first tune, level 2 is 2nd tune, etc?"
-Level 1 only plays with the tranny settings, level 2 also adjusts engine performance

"what custom tunes would you reccomend for me, heres some info that you may need:
most i would tow at this current point in time is a 6k lbs bumper pull camper
only performance mods i would add is a CAI, full catback exhaust, and maybe some aftermarket filters.
i dont ever use any fuel other than 87 octane so any tune using other fuels is useless to me."
-Corey reccomended the 87 performance custom tune to replace level 1 (tranny only) for me, starting to be glad I did. Havent gotten my custom tune yet but I have been playing with settings in the level 2 (87 tow). Havent had to tow anything so I have no idea about tunes for that. I dont know the weight reqirements of specific tunes or anything. There are plenty of people who will argue with me but we have never worried about towing tunes or anything, I am the first one in my entire family to get performance products. We pulled my 5K# RV/dormroom 30 miles on curving rough FM roads with an 04 expedition with NO electric trailer brakes. Pulling was easy, the 4.6L didnt have any trouble getting it going, the expedition just has REALLY soft suspension so it made the ride interesting.

"my driving style is moderate to normal. my truck has never seen RPMs over 3k and usally never over 2500 RPM. i drive w/ sense, unlike most other kids my age. lol. i drive for a living so i have do be a sensable driver so that bad habbits dont go to the job."
-glad to hear Im not the only teenager that is trying to NOT get into wrecks. lol I've been hearing that Bill can make an economy tune but not sure what kind of paramaters he sets for it. Might just be a performance tune with a smart driver


"so how much is just the programmer w/ canned tunes? is the pod an extra $45 or does it come w/ the tuner? cuz the way you said it, it sounds as if you were saying that edge charges extra for it and when you buy it its just added into the cost of the tuner itself. im deffinately getting a gryphon when im ready to purchase bc of the many great things that i have read and heard about it."
-the gryphon comes with 3 canned tunes (same as edge), the pod and the tuner. Edge makes it look like you have to pay extra for the pod while PHP gives it to you free...I was also suprised to get a business card, magnet, pen, a little tin of PHP candy (my personal favorite) and an instruction booklet in english that actually makes sense.


...I know, I talk too much and JandJ got in just before me. lol

[kymudder08]

thanks, the answers i was lookin for. so the tuner is 400 plus tax and shipping and w/e tunes you want if you get them? and on the pod, where does it mount and what colors does it come in? on the site it looks like it mounts where the grab handle goes. on the order, do you need to add in what aftermarket stuff and what kinda driving you do if your not gettin custom tunes? how much are the custom tunes at time of ordering/after the fact down the road? i think i saw $30 for when you buy it but cant find the price for after the fact. can you adjust the settings of the canned tunes or is it all preset besides tire size? why should i leave the 93 if i dont ever use that fuel? i figured id leave the 2nd tune and replace the 1 and 3 one

[Longshot270]

no tax on out of state

only comes in grey, I have an XL and it matches some of the lighter greys of the interior.

I think you should add aftermarket stuff but I dont think its going to make a difference. The canned tunes are the canned tunes.

I think I read somewhere that its $60 afterwards(might be wrong), but I went ahead and bought one $30 87 performance because I know there are things that Bill can change that I cant, plus he knows what he's doing so the truck wont turn into a fireball if I mess up.

You can adjust some things like shift points and limiters. But like I said, I'd leave it to Bill to make those kinds of changes. I like fast but not explosion fast.

On the order form you can choose which ever one to replace, Im gonna replace the lvl 1 because sometimes I run that 93.

[Jackpine]

Originally Posted by kymudder08

thanks, the answers i was lookin for. so the tuner is 400 plus tax and shipping and w/e tunes you want if you get them? and on the pod, where does it mount and what colors does it come in? on the site it looks like it mounts where the grab handle goes. on the order, do you need to add in what aftermarket stuff and what kinda driving you do if your not gettin custom tunes? how much are the custom tunes at time of ordering/after the fact down the road? i think i saw $30 for when you buy it but cant find the price for after the fact. can you adjust the settings of the canned tunes or is it all preset besides tire size? why should i leave the 93 if i dont ever use that fuel? i figured id leave the 2nd tune and replace the 1 and 3 one

Tunes are now $30.00 each no matter when you order them.

If you click on this link: http://dygytalworld.ehost-services13...02004-2008.pdf You'll get the manual for the 2004-2008 Gryphon. That's my Gryphon on the cover! On page 11 and 12, you'll see how it mounts (but the pictures are of an older unit and pod. The new one is much nicer.) For the 2004+ year trucks, the pod matches the flint grey color used in MOST of the dashes. If yours is tan, it won't match.

You can put as much or as little information about your truck on the order form as you'd like. As a minimum though, PHP needs to know the year of your truck if all you're getting is the canned tunes, since the device changed for 2004+ trucks. You'd better include your name and address and payment information though, or you won't get anything.

You can adjust settings in the canned tunes the same as you can for custom tunes. Before you do that though, "read the flippin manual"! And, read and re-read the Q & A I posted on Custom Options here: http://dygytalworld.ehost-services13...ead.php?t=1101

You can replace ANY of the canned tunes that you want - whatever blows air up your skirt! You NEVER want to run 93 octane? Fine! Replace it with whatever you WANT to run! I simply figured it was more likely that I MIGHT try that tune sometime in the future than a #1 Tranny only tune, and, I'd already replaced my canned tow tune with a custom tow tune since I tow.

- Jack

[kymudder08]

thanks, cleared much more up!

heres some custom tunes i was thinkn about getting AFTER i get the mods:
the daily driver/smart driver tune like you said
87 tow tune
87 performance tune

do you guys think that should be alright? and on that tow tune if i tow more or less than that 6k trailer would it be ok? cuz most of my towing is of my 15x5 ft trailer w/ 1-2 800 lb ea ATVs. and if i understand correctly the best thing to do when i actually have the programmer is never mess w/ major settings other than tire size and rev/speed limiter so that i dont mess anything up? and all i gotta do is follow the instructions and just select what mode and thats it?

is there any way that its possible to store canned/custom tunes on a computer? that way they could be backed up in case i need to restore. and what does that tranny tune do besides adjust shift points? like does it improve driving and mpg? and a performance tune is to make the truck run its best when just driving normal? thanks guys

[Longshot270]

I'd get the 87 performance unless you know your going to be towing really heavy stuff. 2000# for the ATV's and gear should not be a problem with your truck. That load even a ranger can do easy, if your going to need a tow tune it'll be for towing 4000+ often (IMO). I've read a few threads here that discuss weights but I dont remember which ones so maybe someone else will jump in.

On saving it to your computer, I dont have a clue but I think it would be a really good idea. lol

[Jackpine]

Whew! You sure took me up on the question department, didn't you?

I want to be sure I understand: If you tow, you're towing something in the 6000# range, right? As long as you stay fairly close to that, say +/-1000, you're fine with a single customized tow tune. If you were to "regularly" tow something in the 3000# range, I'd probably get a second tow tune for that.

Now, the other tune(s). You'll probably find, like I did that you only need one. The one that works for you when you're not towing. I'd call that the daily driver tune. Unless you are in the habit of going out on Saturday nights and challenging young bucks to drag races off of stop lights, I don't think you really want a "performance" tune of that nature. The daily driver tune is your performance tune. Just tell Bill what you want from it, i.e., good passing performance, improved fuel economy, "reasonable" power out of a stop, nice shift feel, etc. (My vibes are telling me this is kind of where you're at - if not, tell Bill!)

So if you only end up getting two tunes, don't fret! That's one more than Ford gave you!

The tranny tune mostly makes the transmission work better. I don't know if it does much else. Its improvements are included in the other tunes.

Bill's custom tunes DO take care of all the major stuff, including Tire Size and Gear Ratio if you tell him what they are. You change things at your own risk. If you'd like him to change the speed limiter, tell him what you want it set at. He'll set the shifts and the max RPM. Following instructions is always a good idea.

I don't know of any way to "save" your tunes on your hard drive. I understand your concern, but Bill can always put them on the server again if you need them. They have to be loaded through Pegasus.

- Jack

[kymudder08]

if i tow the 6k trailer its once or twice a month during the warmer months. mostly ill just tow the small trailer w/ atvs, which my 4.0 ranger pulled quite easily w/ a 3" body lift and 33x12.50s. so i figured just the canned tune would be alright. id prolly keep the canned 87, and scrap the other 2 for a daily drive tune and a towing tune for the big trailer. maybe replace the canned 87 with 87 performance but idno. ik i ask alot of questions, i just dont wanna get in over my head and be confused. i like to learn new things and how they work. lol