Gear woes...

pullmeoverred · #1 Sat, February 14th, 2009, 07:34 PM

Dear brain trust,

I've got a 06' 5.4L 4x4 with the 3.55LS, and now it's got 275/60/20R cooper zeons to deal with (32.99") which has robbed it of a decent amount of performance. I've been searching for a few days now on this forum and other f150 forums for what my best option would be. So far the vast majority of responses I've gotten have reccomended I buy a grypon (which I've been considering already) and rolling the dice on my extended warranty of 5 yrs 75k (I'm at 25k). Only two people have suggested regearing and my Ford dealer basically thought I was a mental case for asking them if they could install them for me. I've accepted the fact that my knowledge on this subject is severely lacking. I'm not a total lead foot, but I do enjoy performance. I work with one of your customers (glockwinger) and he giggled like a school kid when he got his custom tunes. I'm intrigued...

Is your Gryphon the answer? Or should I be looking at new gears? Or both?

Thanks, Aaron

kokopellimotorsports · #2 Sat, February 14th, 2009, 08:10 PM

Custom tunes will make it more responsive and give you some more power. Do you tow with it? If so what and how often. I know bill can make the tune with more low end torque and power, this should help.

Ty

seeleyra · #3 Sat, February 14th, 2009, 08:30 PM

Awwww, just go ahead and re-gear AND get the Gryphon! Whoo Hoo!

Chris74 · #4 Sat, February 14th, 2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kokopellimotorsports

Custom tunes will make it more responsive and give you some more power. Do you tow with it? If so what and how often. I know bill can make the tune with more low end torque and power, this should help.

Ty

agreed...........and the gears will be great but only go with them if and when you feel you need them. All depends on your budget

Chris74 · #5 Sat, February 14th, 2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by seeleyra

Awwww, just go ahead and re-gear AND get the Gryphon! Whoo Hoo!

Seele: What kind of affect did the 4.56's have on your fuel economy........on average? Did it really drop off?

pullmeoverred · #6 Sun, February 15th, 2009, 04:06 AM

No I really don't tow that often. 3 or 4 times a year, a car trailer 20 miles or less and the occasional ice house about the same distance is all I'll tow. That was why I wondered if the gears would be worth it at this point. Plus the programmer seems to be a bit easier to conceal from the stealerships. Well maybe I'll do a little spit ballin' and pull the trigger on the Gryphon in a week or two.

seeleyra · #7 Sun, February 15th, 2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris74

Seele: What kind of affect did the 4.56's have on your fuel economy........on average? Did it really drop off?

Not really a differance at all. In town I average anywhere between 14.5-15.5, and I have had it almost to 19 on the highway taking a trip up I95. I only did it to compensate for the 35's. The real differance is in my speedo which is waaaaaay off! LOL. Soon as I get my Gryphon back that will be straight. I'll keep you posted on the economy after the tunes show up.

AgentOrange · #8 Sun, February 15th, 2009, 11:42 AM

Check the link out below...there's a couple of formulas you can use to determine the correct gear ratio and the RPM range for your tire size.

http://www.4x4offroads.com/gear-ratio-chart.html

***Jackpine*** · #9 Sun, February 15th, 2009, 12:55 PM

And, I qwould not worry much about voiding your warranty. Just make sure you program the truck back to stock EVERY time you take it to the dealer and, of course remove the Gryphon and it's mount from the dash - it's really easy!

Unless you tell the dealer you've tuned it, I doubt he'll even check for this.

- Jack

***88Racing*** · #10 Mon, February 16th, 2009, 02:16 AM

What was the stock wheel on your truck?

Why I am wondering, the size my truck has on it is stock for 20" wheels from Ford. They are 275/55/20 they are the same height as my spare which is 18" wheel. This is what is called +2 sizing. Changing the rim size and profile of the tire. But what everyone forgets is the wheels add more weight to get going and to stopping. Now your size is 275/60/20 not much different than mine maybe 1/4" taller. I run 3.73's for gears and really no problems. While reading this thread researched stock sizes and if you started out with the 235/70/17 and 3.55 gears and did a +3 sizing from the 17" wheel then there should not be any performance loss.(During the +3 sizing if the tire runs out sidewall while maintaining total height then a +2 should be done to maintain true height) But some where along the way oversizing came into play then performance is lost and other purchases such as gears then mods. The other place the mfg plays around with gearing in the transfer case. Oh yah if your truck did start with 17's on it might want to look into bigger brakes, the rotors might be to small for 20's.

Sorry if I gave you an info overload!

If you love the wheels go with the gears and the tuner that's only if they are oversized. If it's a +2 situation go with the tuner(started with 18" stock wheels + tires. Just remember if your pulling and the tires are over sized the tranny getting an extra work out.

Lars