Edge/Gryphon Footprint

[88Racing]

That would be nice if Bill would give us some "bullets" to fire back with.

Talked with the warranties manager today of where I work part time. He said that they or the mfgr never look for a footprint unless the pcm is screwed up(gm products). He even added that some of the conversion pickups that come in also come with hand helds. He also put his 2 cents in abouts tuners. That he loves them and wishes that php did something with gm products and also said that he knows of all the major tuner names out there but if the warranty is yes or no because of a tuner that they better not be an upstart new company or a fly by night one and then he will deny it. He also added that with the small town atmosphere they have its good to be honest, it will help solve the problem quicker.

Lars

[Jackpine]

I've been away all day, so this was the first time I got to actually read Bill's great post. Thank you Bill!

Sounds like there is a strong possibility that if you thought the dealer was going to give you a hard time over having the PCM tuned, it might be a good idea to disconnect the battery for a bit after returning the thing to stock (before taking it in). Then, you could always claim you had the battery out to test it or something equally stupid.

I DO think though, they might have trouble proving the programmer caused the problem with failed injectors, especially since they sent out a letter acknowledging there is a potential problem with the things. I imagine I would take a warranty denial to small claims court if they did.

Oh, and in answer to JWBFX4's question - yes, I got the letter. It's in my glove box so I'll have it handy if I need it.

- Jack

[sonic blue l]

the biggest areas in which a tuner could cause damage is on diesels. Gas not so much. Thus most dealers don't really worry about tuners on gas unless they come in with pinging, trans concerns, etc.

Diesels on the other hand can have a number of problems with tuners, however with that said it all depends on how greedy one is. A gas will gain some power, but nothing compared to a tuned diesel. So with anything the more you push it the more likly you are to have problems. Diesels are just much easier to push with a tuner, unless of course you have a forced induction gas then that changes things aswell.

Any tuner leaves a foot print and not just edge, they all do. There is not a sign that says o this truck is chiped, you have to actually look for it.(not too hard to find) On a gas truck i would be less worried about a tuner vs diesel vs warranty, however thats based on a good quality tune.

Alot depends on the dealer, most who want customers try to explain that if the damage was caused by the tuner then they could have a problem. The guy with the injectors, its a problem that ford knows about and the dealer should have covered it. If however the spark plugs were covered in aluminum from excessive timing, spark knock, etc and a tuner was found, well then thats a different story.

Not all people run 93 oct on a 93 tune and create there own problems, the factory tries to make the engine " dummy " proof, but the tuner can lessen the amount of " dummy " proofing.

The best exaple could be if you lent your truck out. Lets say your truck is tuned for 93 and your bro, etc takes it to move, and puts 87 in it because you forgot to tell him and hauls/tows loads of furniture all day. In that case if you damaged something it would not be ford's fault as you intensionally took away the margin of " dummy " proofing.

The bottom line is that any tuner can leave footprints, but wether you loose warranty or not would depend upon a lot of factors. Decent dealerships are based on common sense, and actually so is ford, but just like not all dealerships use common sense neither do all owners. Its just like anything the bad ruin it for the good.