Tranny/shifting issue

stryker6040 · #1 Mon, June 22nd, 2009, 12:10 PM

Using my 87 custom performance tune it seems my truck too has the gear lock up problem. it cant seem to make up its mind between 3rd and 4th between 50mph and 60mph on flat road with no load. it will go to 4th but wont lock then all of a sudden it will back down to 3rd and lock for a second before it think it should be back in 4th but doesnt lock there either.

Also having an rpm issue while driving on highway with CC and AC on which wasnt there before on the canned gryphon. RPMs seem to surge for about 1-3 seconds every mile or so. It feels really weird cause out of no where the truck will just start to pull for no reason and the exhuast will get louder, and then goes away. With the AC off there doesnt seem to be an issue.

***88Racing*** · #2 Mon, June 22nd, 2009, 12:40 PM

First of all are you still running a tb spacer?
If you are take it out and use it as a paper weight.
If you have removed it from your truck also remove it from the user cp.
Second of all these conditions are not present when at stock? Right?
Try cleaning the maf sensor with maf sensor cleaner. Also check your tb and make sure its clean.
As far as the shifting and non lock conditions I will post a link of this thread in the moderator's help section. Also what year is you truck?

Lars

stryker6040 · #3 Mon, June 22nd, 2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 88Racing

First of all are you still running a tb spacer?
If you are take it out and use it as a paper weight.
If you have removed it from your truck also remove it from the user cp.
Second of all these conditions are not present when at stock? Right?
Try cleaning the maf sensor with maf sensor cleaner. Also check your tb and make sure its clean.
As far as the shifting and non lock conditions I will post a link of this thread in the moderator's help section. Also what year is you truck?

Lars

The spacer has been in the truck since a few weeks after i bought it. at that time i had the spacer and an airaid jr kit with the intake tube and replacment filter
Correct the conditions were not present at stock or using the canned tunes only after receiving the custom tunes. the maf sensor is clean and so is the tb and it moves freely just like the stock one. i had my custom tunes wrote around the mods in my profile

my truck is a 2008 F150screw 5.4

***88Racing*** · #4 Mon, June 22nd, 2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stryker6040

The spacer has been in the truck since a few weeks after i bought it. at that time i had the spacer and an airaid jr kit with the intake tube and replacment filter
Correct the conditions were not present at stock or using the canned tunes only after receiving the custom tunes. the maf sensor is clean and so is the tb and it moves freely just like the stock one. i had my custom tunes wrote around the mods in my profile

my truck is a 2008 F150screw 5.4

What I was trying to say about the tb spacer is it doesn't do a thing for the truck. Just read this link: http://www.f150online.com/forums/oth...ml#post3688662

Or do a search on here.

I too had this installed. Now its on my garage wall of shame.

Hopefully Bill or Corey get some input in here. About what's going on.

Lars

***Jackpine*** · #5 Mon, June 22nd, 2009, 07:10 PM

Stryker, if you didn't notice the one reference to this in the link that Lars posted, the throttle body spacer seemed to give modest gains back when engines had carburetors. They seem to do nothing either pro or con for a fuel injected vehicle except, in some cases, cause noise.

I see them as an unnecessary complication that should not be used under the K.I.S.S. principle. My advice would also be to take it off.

It really sounds to me like the TC on your truck is sensing load and is unlocking, then locking back up again. You could check for this of course if you monitored "Comm Gear" as one of your PIDs. I might help Bill fix the issue if you were able to either confirm or reject this hypothesis.

- Jack

stryker6040 · #6 Tue, June 23rd, 2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JackandJanet

Stryker, if you didn't notice the one reference to this in the link that Lars posted, the throttle body spacer seemed to give modest gains back when engines had carburetors. They seem to do nothing either pro or con for a fuel injected vehicle except, in some cases, cause noise.

I see them as an unnecessary complication that should not be used under the K.I.S.S. principle. My advice would also be to take it off.

It really sounds to me like the TC on your truck is sensing load and is unlocking, then locking back up again. You could check for this of course if you monitored "Comm Gear" as one of your PIDs. I might help Bill fix the issue if you were able to either confirm or reject this hypothesis.

- Jack

thats what i had on my PID when it started doing it. i was on a flat road going 55 when it first happened then all of a sudden it when down to 3rd and locked for a second then back up into 4th with no lock and then it kicked back down to 3rd with no lock again so then i went to 60mph and it did the same thing

stryker6040 · #7 Tue, June 23rd, 2009, 12:37 AM

I am going to remove the TB spacer this weekend on everyones recommendation. didnt know they were so "hated" in a sense lol

***88Racing*** · #8 Tue, June 23rd, 2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stryker6040

I am going to remove the TB spacer this weekend on everyones recommendation. didnt know they were so "hated" in a sense lol

I don't "hate" tb spacers. They just open the door for another place for vacuum leak to happen. I don't know what yours sounds like but mine whistled a lot.

Lars

***Jackpine*** · #9 Tue, June 23rd, 2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by stryker6040

thats what i had on my PID when it started doing it. i was on a flat road going 55 when it first happened then all of a sudden it when down to 3rd and locked for a second then back up into 4th with no lock and then it kicked back down to 3rd with no lock again so then i went to 60mph and it did the same thing

Good post! I think this can help Bill pinpoint the cause, when he has time to get to it, which hopefully, will happen soon. It's really difficult for us "laypersons" to suggest any cures, when we've never had anything like this occur to us.

The ONLY thing I ever noticed, as I've posted too many times, was a tendency for the transmission and TC to downshift/unlock too quickly under fairly minor load. This has been tamed by my adjusting the part throttle shiftpoints and TC lock/unlock points downwards.

- Jack

stryker6040 · #10 Wed, June 24th, 2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JackandJanet

Good post! I think this can help Bill pinpoint the cause, when he has time to get to it, which hopefully, will happen soon. It's really difficult for us "laypersons" to suggest any cures, when we've never had anything like this occur to us.

The ONLY thing I ever noticed, as I've posted too many times, was a tendency for the transmission and TC to downshift/unlock too quickly under fairly minor load. This has been tamed by my adjusting the part throttle shiftpoints and TC lock/unlock points downwards.

- Jack

what are your settings so i can try them out and see if it helps. im rather dumbs when it comes to this kinda stuff so please be detailed. thanks