Pheonix VS. Superchips 1705

[majek5]

Besides the obvious, change on the fly and choose the tunes. What kind of benefits, performance, and newer technology should I see? Much needed info to keep the wife happy on the choice to buy the Pheonix.

[cleatus12r]

I haven't had an opportunity to look at any Superchips tunes but I had run the 1705 programmer for a while on my 2001.

Observations:

Superchips added power. The accelerator pedal was fairly sensitive but I've run far more sensitive programming. Bill's programming for the Phoenix has a near-stock accelerator pedal feel for the first 1/3 to 1/2 worth of travel and then has a linear set-you-in-the-seat feel. The accelerator pedal feel is a lot better.

As far as the transmission feel goes (if you have an automatic), the shifts are far more precise. Bill's are a little too firm for my liking but they are a definite improvement over the Superchips.

[cleatus12r]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that a flash programmer such as your Superchips doesn't actually replace the entire binary code in the PCM so if you have an "undesirable" PCM code then you are still stuck with that code after programming.

If you go with a chip from PHP, then you will get the latest and greatest PCM base file for your model of truck that has more desirable shifting/torque converter operation.

Hope this helps!

[majek5]

Thanks that does help. As for towing will the egt's be lower than the 1705?

[cleatus12r]

I am sure they will. When I ran the 1705 in mine, the EGTs were always high when towing and I constantly had to reprogram to stock just to tow.

Bill's tunes will make your EGT happy!

[majek5]

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That will make the wifey happy! Thanks again.

[soutthpaw]

I just had my truck out on the freeway today with a few little hills I don't think I went over 1100F EGT's to reach or maintain 70ish with 9500lbs of bobcat and trailer even up the few hills on the fwy. that was on 40HP tow tune. but never had to floor it either, which would probably upped the EGT"s pretty quick

[cleatus12r]

This is a slightly doctored quote made by Dan (Kwikkordead from FTE) from PHP's testimonial page:

Originally Posted by Dan

I just returned from a trip with my 1999.5 F-550 pulling a Cedar Creek 36 RLTS. Total vehicle weight: around 24,000 lb. 7.3 4x4 ZF6 with 4.88 rear axle. 2500 rpm @ 70 mph in OD. I was running with a Diablo Predator before and was forced to return the truck to stock tune just to tow the trailer because the EGT would easily hit 1400 degrees on any hill, even using thier mildest Tow/Safe tunes.

After installing the chip and pulling the trailer, I found that on the 25hp Heavy Tow, the engine would pull the trailer up any hill up to about 4-5% grade in OD without having to shift down.

The turbo would simply spool up and the EGT's would not go over 1100 degrees - cooler by 100 degrees over the stock tune. It was very surprising to me how much better the engine sounded and ran as well. Bill knows his stuff and if I ever have a need for a another chip on a different truck I will not consider any other vendor. VERY satisified customer.

Superchips, Edge, and Diablosport all claim an EGT safe tow program on the lowest setting and I have yet to personally see an actual "safe" EGT from two of them while towing...even 6K lbs that should be easy on EGT.

I hope this helps.

[ManBearPig]

I know this is an old thread but I have a similar question.

I have a Superchips 1705 and am wondering what kind of raw power increase a chip with the standard settings would net for me. I have a manual trans so shifting is not a concern.

I have previous experience with Tony Wildman's tunes on a different truck. Are the PHP tunes comparable in feel?

[dietoremain]

Night and day difference vs the 1705 I ran one for awhile.. even with the standard trans you should notice a much more noticeable power difference..